From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDF0C385E012 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 13:19:04 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org DDF0C385E012 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=redhat.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1665580744; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=SV8GzSOfa1E5GnqB3fiVflzNiY7Y9ywan+dZ8qyEK9M=; b=TggCahwPLn75asI+2gWJe1xDr2WfVgcuj8ZlYxTU/amuwLiM65hZZMYUDJ4CPiASiQRY91 lcBFa2lXNJdoIrF4bHBqbC8PZ9doz6BdKOohza4H+3AjdxLhh7ZDnagWhjTc70Rjk9WHB9 /SxRRaGWnc8t+uRJkw1Kl2xssSDNRG0= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-654-2kQ2VDMpNdefby6Jt1hHtQ-1; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:19:01 -0400 X-MC-Unique: 2kQ2VDMpNdefby6Jt1hHtQ-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB82B8065F7; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 13:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oldenburg.str.redhat.com (unknown [10.39.192.47]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53E53492B0E; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 13:18:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Florian Weimer To: Mark Wielaard via Overseers Cc: David Edelsohn , Mark Wielaard , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <20221004171007.oc2ot6eu6l24aipn@cgf.cx> <05b0f7fa-7077-5a8b-0c2f-dfb3068dd10f@gotplt.org> <517db8de93ece0eb81923fd05a731ca1da65e1dd.camel@klomp.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:18:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Mark Wielaard via Overseers's message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2022 10:00:19 +0200") Message-ID: <87h709yybk.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.10 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: * Mark Wielaard via Overseers: > Hi David, > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 01:14:50PM -0400, David Edelsohn wrote: >> an alternative proposal? When were they allowed to participate in the >> preparation of the "Sourceware" proposal, supposedly for their benefit? > > It wasn't really meant as an alternative proposal. And tt shouldn't be > in conflict with finding alternative sources of funding, creating a > technical advisory committee or having some managed services. And it > is a about having a public discussion. > > - Sourceware roadmap discussions > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q2/018453.html > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q2/018529.html > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018636.html > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018716.html Overseers was a hidden list until recently: I'm pointing this out to show how difficult it is to build public consensus. You might think you are doing it, but the view from the outside is probably quite different. Thanks, Florian