From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.fsf.org (mail.fsf.org [IPv6:2001:470:142::13]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5B913858424 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:47:17 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org D5B913858424 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=fsf.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=fsf.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fsf.org; s=mail-fsf-org; h=MIME-Version:In-reply-to:Date:Subject:To:From:References; bh=zoiJO8yx94Bs0N3SiAD+5SgEVfamj4cQS3GMd3YqlKI=; b=dhknI3ZOWa3mSIbK5IXZF+ta2 NsQ94YBGuXEqt9DOuHxuhi7370zVbXhmu0QBDiGsdzx0Y/+R7hB2t/9bmLom4gYeByDNQbtBDsrvl 2sN3ddTGMk8Q0xFV47HGY2ByBhxrMnqyt2ZJBCBipmvjyrog7v6Q9iBb0TtRX0G637GViVQ9VJyqn HPFRqhO3JPRQV9y7yTGHMAx28VOB7+LwjpNrmdCF1pE/LwrIoCv4H7W3hd7dFmrKYfn+tJB6bgChO FFNu38ele25v++FVNs5N8S6nFAm3wb+yDFlbu5mUZF79etL9CBptC93IDQahe37QzVTAF4xxYW0iO O9NFiiVzg==; References: <87ler4qcmo.fsf@gnu.org> <20220926195716.GD7916@redhat.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.9.0; emacs 29.0.50 From: Ian Kelling To: Overseers mailing list Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" Subject: Re: Moving sourceware to the Linux Foundation? No thanks. Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 04:33:30 -0400 In-reply-to: <20220926195716.GD7916@redhat.com> Message-ID: <87pmff3my3.fsf@fsf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,KAM_SHORT,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: "Frank Ch. Eigler via Overseers" writes: > Hi - > >> I see two important points that ought to be discussed on this topic. > > Thanks for joining the discussion. > >> The first is succession planning. Sourceware is essentially a community >> project with a relatively small number of people keeping it going. It >> needs trusted and capable people to step it to continue to maintain it. >> Where are those people going to come from? We shouldn't simply hope >> that it will keep carrying on as before. > > Fair, we need to attend to recruiting more helpers. (It was with this > in mind that some folks got root on sourceware in the last few years.) > With some moderate funding, the small amount of IT effort this place > requires could be filled out with talented part-timers. OTOH, it's > not an emergency, and the system is not complicated, running > off-the-shelf basic RHEL8 for the core stuff (git, mail, mailing > lists, http, ssh, authentication). There is already a built in succession plan you all seem to be ignoring. GNU already separately hosts most of same infrastructure that sourceware does. If sourceware volunteers all stepped down tomorrow, GNU would be ready to immediately step up and host servers, maintain services, recruit new volunteers, and that effort would likely be lead by FSF sysadmin staff like me. There are currently 3 tech team members, https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board there's been about that many for a long time, like a decade now, and we aren't going anywhere . GNU infrastructure is a large part of every FSF tech team member's job that we do full time. If you want to make succession plans, we should be part of that planning. -- Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org