From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ms.lwn.net (ms.lwn.net [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:3a1::42]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D19693858D39 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 14:45:52 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org D19693858D39 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2601:281:8300:73:8b7:7001:c8aa:b65f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ms.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 407BD2C5; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 14:45:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 ms.lwn.net 407BD2C5 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lwn.net; s=20201203; t=1664462751; bh=bJNOE88g5UxSwuoA3VtqHQpXUQwhVA5UQQJi+G50TCA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=ZQmIR9u059Uc2EIFiEeBkN6SBdEr0GW/+be716nnlbY8jS2zpS0PlsEnFR9rHxkMx 7mMSGRG6dgNk6TFJKXzgII35uGk5orchRC8EKMSgVheOmNsKskPwgsTJf7b7xKCVSt Mwb3240OTySP+kQtKX/mwosaDyj8AsErBx7E/dRuJ9pEEu183r3KGAUPZ2GvzZi/xx fF7LDXwcKseiCoH10l+945fCvkoN565IIePjgnhrL5Ln+CthslC/t28OR83LiZrxVG 4+Gg1Kh5VFboMy1wpy7s7yQyMXsxv1D8A3TrJcBqH5QgILlwSG3Ervr2Kct6sfa40c Y05DpJfm976EQ== From: Jonathan Corbet To: Carlos O'Donell Cc: overseers@sourceware.org Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:45:50 -0600 Message-ID: <87v8p6i6ht.fsf@meer.lwn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,KAM_SHORT,LOTS_OF_MONEY,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: carlos@redhat.com (Carlos O'Donell) writes: > During the Sourceware / Infrastructure BoF sessions at GNU Cauldron, the GNU > Toolchain community in collaboration with the Linux Foundation and OpenSSF, > announced the GNU Toolchain Infrastructure project (GTI). Thanks for making more information available. Just for the record, it is still my feeling that the LF's infrastructure management has been a good thing for the kernel community. Whether it would be suitable for the toolchain community is not something I'm in a position to have an opinion on. If anybody is curious about how interactions with that group work, there is a current discussion on bugzilla that might be interesting: https://lwn.net/ml/ksummit-discuss/05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info/ Konstantin's response to the idea of moving everything to a Gitlab instance is the sort of thing I find reassuring. I do, though, have a few questions. - Why not dispense with the governing board and have the TAC be the decision-making body? That would help ensure ongoing community control over this infrastructure. It would also be a clear statement from the sponsors that they trust the community and do not intend to force changes in how development is done. - How were the members of the TAC chosen, and what will be the process for choosing members in the future? - During the Cauldron discussion it was said that $400,000 in annual funding has been committed to GTI. You must have a rough budget for how those funds will be spent that you can share? - Keeping that money stream going will surely require ongoing fundraising efforts; who will be responsible for that? What happens if, say, tech companies start getting nervous about dark economic clouds on the horizon and stop funding the project? Thanks, jon