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Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.12.0 Subject: Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support Content-Language: en-US To: Ian Kelling , Overseers mailing list , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <2513b668-9ebd-9e78-7263-dc24f4a9558a@redhat.com> <20221013182529.sm76fysq37sv754x@cgf.cx> <9c0a9111-07b1-3617-c5c8-4b12e616f985@gotplt.org> <7abeb179-2c05-eee9-bd68-3b5f8a11bd32@gotplt.org> <87zgdmyg30.fsf@fsf.org> <230909ee-fb2c-cca0-abbe-fd7d6434efab@gotplt.org> <20221023205709.lxlhwq7nrxcojjyn@cgf.cx> <6a33dfa2-e0b3-50ac-ac82-3816374122bb@gotplt.org> <20221023215911.a3cxlalrp5pp64ve@cgf.cx> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <20221023215911.a3cxlalrp5pp64ve@cgf.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3030.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2022-10-23 17:59, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 05:17:40PM -0400, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >> On 2022-10-23 16:57, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 02:25:29PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>>> Re: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q4/018981.html >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >>>>> The GNU Toolchain project leadership supports the proposal[1] to move the >>>>> services for the GNU Toolchain to the Linux Foundation IT under the auspices of >>>>> the Toolchain Infrastructure project (GTI) with fiscal sponsorship from the >>>>> OpenSSF and other major donors. >>>> >>>> Noted, however, a list of signatories does not automatically confer >>>> authority over any particular project.  Any participation from >>>> overseers in moving projects to different infrastructure will require >>>> clear approval from the individual projects themselves. >>>> >>>> Also, the FSF, being the existing fiscal sponsor to these projects, >>>> surely needs to review the formal agreements before we sunset our >>>> infrastructural offerings to glibc, gcc, binutils, and gdb and hand >>>> control of the projects' infrastructure over to a different entity. >>>> >>>> We'd like to assure the communities that, when and if any individual >>>> project formally expresses the decision of their developers to transfer >>>> their services, we'll endeavor to make the move as smooth as possible. >>>> Those projects that wish to stay will continue to receive the best >>>> services that the overseers can offer, with the ongoing assistance of >>>> Red Hat, the SFC, and, when relevant, the FSF tech team. >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 09:27:26AM -0400, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: >>>> Given that the current sourceware admins have decided to block migration of >>>> all sourceware assets to the LF IT, I don't have a stake on how they'd like >>>> to handle this for sourceware. I could however, as a member of TAC (and as >>>> member of projects that have agreed to migrate to LF IT, i.e. gcc and glibc), >>>> discuss with others the possibility of specific community volunteers being >>>> given some amount of access to manage infrastructure. >>> >>> Stop spreading FUD. The "we" in my statement above, from October 13, >>> included fche, mjw, and myself. You have no reason to be confused on >>> this subject. >>> >> >> Nope, I'm not spreading FUD, in fact that statement of yours is perfectly >> consistent with what I've said: the blocker at the moment is that the >> sourceware overseers have refused to hand over the server *in its entirety* >> to LF IT, not that any projects themselves have refused to move their >> services to LF IT. I don't doubt that the overseers will help in smooth >> migration for projects that eventually state that they wish to move over. > > Your initial implication was that the unreasonable overseers would hold > all projects hostage on our current infrastructure. Absolutely not, you and I have had multiple exchanges on this list so far and I'd have trusted you to take my statement above in the correct context. I did not even negate your statement when you stated that the overseers would support seamless migration of services over to LF IT and in fact supplemented[1] by saying that the transition would likely take years. > Now you've "clarified" > that point by implying that we've been approached to transfer the server > "in its entirety" to the LF and have unreasonably refused. You literally have an email on the list with the subject like "Moving sourceware to the Linux Foundation? no thanks". > Both of those are FUD. You're either intentionally trying to muddy the > waters or you're just confused. I'd submit that in either case you should > just think about shutting up. You have no special authority to speak for > the GTI TAC and your increasingly hostile messages are not helping anyone. It's funny that you're asking me to shut up and also implying that my messages are hostile. Sid [1] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q4/018987.html