From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from hamza.pair.com (hamza.pair.com [209.68.5.143]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 462AF398900C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:38:12 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 462AF398900C Received: from hamza.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hamza.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D0A33E55; Tue, 1 Jun 2021 16:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (77.118.221.112.wireless.dyn.drei.com [77.118.221.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by hamza.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30BC533E54; Tue, 1 Jun 2021 16:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:37:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , overseers@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Mailing list configuration changes? (was: test) In-Reply-To: <20210601194847.GE8179@redhat.com> Message-ID: <9cade6b-528-75ac-203-45c4bc44ad8f@pfeifer.com> References: <424bea38-785f-6582-9ecb-305dab607764@pfeifer.com> <20210601194847.GE8179@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: overseers@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Overseers mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 20:38:13 -0000 On Tue, 1 Jun 2021, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > We're experimenting with VERP for outgoing traffic from mailman. >> The mails coming in since than have >> Sender: "Gcc-patches" > Right. Ah, makes sense. I wasn't explicitly aware of VERP before, yet looking at the header it is pretty obvious what this was about. ;-) >> Is this a permanent change? > Not sure. It seems to make email more traceable and MAYBE a little > faster to deliver to good receivers, so from that PoV it's nice. So users need to be careful adjusting their filter rules, as not to change now and then have to change back again? >> If so, how do we inform users of this? What do we recommend going >> forward? > Hm, I added a brief blurb here, but it's not exactly a well known > place. I probably wouldn't want to spam every user with an update > about it either tho. What do you think we should do? > > https://sourceware.org/sourceware-wiki/SystemStatusHistory/ Somewhat independent of the current experiment with VERP, I think it would be great to advise users how to go about filtering e-mails (i.e., which headers to filter on and other potential considerations). Could you send a brief heads-up to gcc@gcc.gnu.org hinting at some improvements being tested and how to adjust/configure filters that will work now _and_ in the future? I volunteer myself to update our list related web page accordingly. Thanks, Gerald