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Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:02:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Can we please have the old mailing list back To: Arseny Solokha , Jonathan Wakely , "gcc@gcc.gnu.org" , overseers@sourceware.org, richard.sandiford@arm.com References: <23b63bb3-9156-5a28-30b0-8fe557b33df1@gmx.com> <20200325185527.GB8416@cgf.cx> <20200326151602.GA8097@cgf.cx> From: Bernd Edlinger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:01:59 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ClientProxiedBy: AM4PR08CA0075.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:205:2::46) To AM6PR03MB5170.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:20b:ca::23) X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <799a250a-bd8f-d5e2-c9a7-95b5183bed12@hotmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (92.77.140.102) by AM4PR08CA0075.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:205:2::46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.2878.16 via Frontend Transport; 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We don't control it. If you have questions about their >>>>>>> site then ask them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The mailing list software is all easily discernible by investigating >>>>>>> email headers and via google but someone else answered your questions >>>>>>> later in this thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But don't you think that we change something in 6.3 to make them break. >>>>>> like no longer sending updates, or something? >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't you have any idea what changed on our side? >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean what should I tell them they should do to fix that????? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ah, marc.info is fixed, it turned out that the messages were just Quarantined >>>>> because due to the change in the ip adresses, mailing software etc. >>>>> marc.info was under the impression that all these messages were just spam. >>>>> >>>>> That is what they told me: >>>>> >>>>> "For lists that often get spammed, we set up some silent header-checks >>>>> so that mails that don't look like they came from the real listserver >>>>> get quarrantined, and don't appear when viewing that list. >>>>> >>>>> Well, that can break when mailing list software changes - like when they >>>>> switched away from ezmlm to Mailman. >>>>> >>>>> I've updated our filter check and un-quarrantined about 4500 mails to >>>>> various gcc- lists that landed there this month." >>>>> >>>>> So indeed all our mailing list message are again on marc.info, >>>>> I think when it can handle lkml it can handle gcc-patches as well. >>>>> >>>>> Many Thanks go to Hank Leininger who does a gread job with marc.info. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Bernd. >>>>> >>>> >>>> PS: I have a discovered a very serious problem with the mailing lists >>>> that must be fixed by our overseers. >>>> >>>> That is the scubbed attachments. >>>> >>>> As an example please look at this one: >>>> https://marc.info/?l=gdb-patches&m=158571308379946&w=2 >>>> >>>> >>>> you see this: >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: 0001-Fix-range-end-handling-of-inlined-subroutines.patch >>>> Type: text/x-patch >>>> Size: 10992 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> So there are two serious problems here: >>>> >>>> 1. there is a single point of failure, if sourceware.org goes down the attachment is lost. >>>> >>>> 2. since the url is http: a man in the middle can impersonate sourceware.org and give you a >>>> virus instead of my patch file. >>>> It does not help that sourceware.org redirects the download to https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/attachments/20200313/5158bb87/attachment.bin >>>> an attacker will not be so polite to do that. >>>> >>>> >>>> @overseeers: PLEASE STOP IMMEDIATELY THAT SCRUBBING >>>> >>>> can you act now, or do you need a CVE number first ? >>> >>> The overseers are reachable on: >>> >>> https://sourceware.org/mailman/listinfo/overseers >>> >>> Please keep the tone civil. I hope we never see the day where the GCC/ >>> sourceware lists have to have a code of conduct, but if we did, I think >>> some of the messages on this thread would have breached it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Richard >>> >> Thanks, for reminding me. >> >> I do personally full-heatedly apologize, and regret what I said above. >> >> I am sorry if I made you feel bad. That was not the true intention of what >> I said. >> >> >> I asked Hank Leininger for clarification how mark.info subscribes the mails, >> and what data he gets exactly from us. >> >> I am still waiting for his response, and let you know what he says. >> >> In the meantime, culd you please change http: to https: > > Just in case: I'm not actually an overseer myself, but I can see how > my message could give that impression. I think the request would be > better sent to the overseers list, if you haven't already > > Sorry for the confusion :-) > > Richard > No problem, I know who you are. I did add CC: overseeers@sourceware.org this time. Every time I hit reply-to-all the overseeer are not in the list I use thunderbird here, and someting on their e-mail address is so bogus that thunderbird does not want to send them mails. By the way instead of using the "please use the list" in angle brackets, which I never look at, I look only at the name. I would suggest you just use your name and overseeers@sourceware.org if you prefer, or something that is quarantined, until you can look at it if it is a personal mail or something of general interest. But if I write a mail I spend a lot of time for it, and if it bounces, that work is lost. This makes a bad start, and the first impression usually decides a lot in our lives. Thanks Bernd.