From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from pine.sfconservancy.org (pine.sfconservancy.org [IPv6:2001:4801:7822:103:be76:4eff:fe10:7c55]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA4C53858403 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2022 19:09:35 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org CA4C53858403 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=sfconservancy.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=sfconservancy.org Received: from wn (unknown [IPv6:2601:240:cf80:8f10::450a]) (Authenticated sender: pono) by pine.sfconservancy.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A027E382; Mon, 12 Sep 2022 19:09:35 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=sfconservancy.org; s=pine; t=1663009775; bh=H2M5TublNr47B7sDoRGqiKA7IrvoLewYMVY5pfC5IXI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=cbVfx+kfyd27+WTuecHMwUD+Nbq5Ndv50WavE4O/FWoDfNcgOs2HPUrr5Bj3W2Mjm DyIMJz2BjXDMsWuzr9GpBuZkyyA7UZgCtLpHF/Odh5lC0cpU+3EQPnA/sBlY99oxmo fYSlyWBHo2jmtOOD85ouTUEhwXR5jVYAFLqBBGJKlQLOSOFVQl585Eimgjb2sksbJv PxOqDDiEEPfyBluJpuE3iXuo2yD+r9DSi4WItbXZFYKBFpjS0LcCd6KRlUk7EfEqgv JwpAzl/kOK/mBVh9+Drhkq/XnZ5xvIyZPnhSmcSyXUz3ZrFS8ItZbRaEkA8/sl7m/j KB+jFyDQAno+g== Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 14:09:33 -0500 From: Daniel Pono Takamori To: Overseers mailing list Cc: Mark Wielaard Subject: Re: SFC video-chat discussion meeting notes Message-ID: References: <1d8df057d6a7891e7af38de89a17b99f@sfconservancy.org> <8f4b73fb87d4619126f3594041e8bb22@sfconservancy.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Thanks again for bearing with our network outage. The hybrid meeting was surprisingly good! I've got the first 10 minutes of notes from IRC and the BBB notes in a Pad here in case people want to review them: https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/20220912-sourceware+sfc We look forward to more public chats and thank you all for participating! -Pono on behalf of Software Freedom Conservancy On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:05:46PM -0500, Daniel Pono Takamori via Overseers wrote: > Sorry about that folks, our BigBlueButton instance is having network issues > and we're looking at bringing it back up now. > > Please join us on #conservancy on libera.chat or general@chat.sfconservancy.org > on XMPP in the meantime while we sort out the issues. > > So sorry for the inconvenience! > -Pono > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 11:34:57AM -0500, Daniel Pono Takamori via Overseers wrote: > > And here's the info for the last meeting, happening in ~25 minutes at 17:00 > > UTC. > > > > https://bbb.sfconservancy.org/b/pon-bl3-2pp-lk9 > > > > To join this meeting by phone, dial: > > +1-718-247-9666 > > Then enter 33966 as the conference PIN number. > > > > Thanks Mark for the notes from the last meeting below. > > > > See you soon! > > -Pono > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 12:32:00AM +0200, Mark Wielaard via Overseers wrote: > > > Here are the rough notes from the first two meetings. > > > > > > The SFC will host another one at 17:00 UTC Monday also on BigBlueButton. > > > The link will be posted on the overseers mailinglist on Monday. > > > > > > > Meeting 15:00 UTC, September 9 > > > > > > > > SFC staff shared links to the Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement template > > > > > > > > Fiscal sponsorship agreement talks about the structure, what's the best way > > > > to describe it? > > > > Concern: is defining the scope of the project difficult? There are legacy > > > > projects, etc > > > > Projects hosted by Sourceware will not become SFC projects > > > > > > > > * may need to write this into the agreement > > > > > > > > Sourceware is well resourced enough to bring more projects on > > > > > > > > Discussion about longevity and succession of Sourceware > > > > Making sure that governance of the project is independent from any company > > > > > > > > Discussed possible people to join the leadership committee > > > > Possibly anyone who has root should be on the committee? > > > > > > > > SFC recommends reaching out personally to overseers who have been active > > > > over the last 10 years to make sure they've seen the discussion about > > > > joining SFC and if they'd like to be involved. > > > > > > Meeting 18:00 UTC September 10 > > > > > > Reached out to a few people personally who have a longtime involvment > > > in projects and/or sourceware to see if they would be interested in > > > joining the PLC > > > > > > Do member projects talk to each other? > > > > > > Sometimes they do and there are a few mailing lists to do it but in > > > practice there hasn't been that much cross-project chatter. Recently > > > there was a great conversation amongst our projects about > > > GiveUpGitHub.org. > > > > > > SFC will announce soon an in person event that may be a good venue > > > for more of this > > > > > > Could SFC help hire logo or web designers? > > > > > > Definitely, we've hired multiple people in these roles in the last > > > few years and will continue to do so. > > > > > > We like to favor small companies or individuals who use software > > > freedom tools, but have also hired larger companies. > > > > > > Conflict of interest policy: it is long, how will that work out with > > > so many projects being hosted? > > > https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conflict-of-interest-policy.html > > > > > > The policy is really only an issue when the person is going to > > > benefit financially from the project (or related situation) > > > > > > In practice this works out easily, conflicted parties simply > > > recuse themselves from the relevant discussion > > > > > > How do in kind donations work? > > > > > > Depending on the donation, we may need to track it on our books > > > > > > Charitable deductions are possible where helpful for companies > > > > > > Normally can evaluate logo placement or other sponsorship program > > > > > > Organizations could be encouraged to continue donating in-kind > > > resources by formal recognition > > > > > > Discussion about other fiscal sponsor options, what SFC offers and > > > what it doesn't, and different > > > > > > historical trajectories of projects that look for large amounts of > > > funding vs. those who focus on long term survivability