From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from esa2.hgst.iphmx.com (esa2.hgst.iphmx.com [68.232.143.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9EDE385DC1A for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:08:07 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org C9EDE385DC1A IronPort-SDR: 4zZfkuBubN2BNOV9gP2pQWdsog0TF3GU+9nqdK32IBMGS97KULd9REKSXJDZZKc/Wb9/Ycofia V5t6oBFerZTXWu7EdL+kvvL4dxQgtX3rRPJ0B8GzhnQ/stB1sDuRmY4+L561wQh1tzNgIDU8Rs QINyYmJP8IABwnvphOrQSjs1Pt6bMEDuHRILdeIR5qiKFwkUj5/Py1y2nNqTGwY9Iwr83emYDZ cjMyQCqyznya/x5zbiA6ebSrklt9R6ieoLZqeVtswJxyFggVtaUg9fbI+VaJGZimHCm4z1+gvu QwM= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.72,355,1580745600"; d="scan'208";a="237122545" Received: from h199-255-45-15.hgst.com (HELO uls-op-cesaep02.wdc.com) ([199.255.45.15]) by ob1.hgst.iphmx.com with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2020 01:08:08 +0800 IronPort-SDR: ioHUQlXDpGjdLPNe/BvVySiVc69BnBguVPhRpR9sm02SMsJe5G8uof1cmy+Aawkt24LVdhaVlZ LSW4F3iqhmIieB9ruyMVG206Yy5otENmr2yqzCEGSi/e9rXZz8q2eXj6geIHFd7OgBl9P0ADCu T8qQfeskvIoCGofYPM9Z/MmHi3tF+9lWIb6JatfQ0MzM6Eztqj8XUwa9aipaexawb8/OaVay12 GTqJXCwdtbzuJ2hfHPnDwW2AQOgb73St+p7VJM7pj+2megyNRHVitfjsTQpXCnfzjAlCQf/3HX enMBwA8fiwYtR4EAffVmFRCK Received: from uls-op-cesaip02.wdc.com ([10.248.3.37]) by uls-op-cesaep02.wdc.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 07 Apr 2020 09:58:49 -0700 IronPort-SDR: gfBR8rZuOAXk3ghrK8Dh5FwY2lYTuimTcMPNl9ghIrSJ8wnVmBKnh1XCKHnxjyLKFHdREtTmq7 NM+sPNV8/FkJSgyVBplM3BMtArM+5aidSmCVWfq7BPVFoCxKDieTdMP3UZgmyiEd07sFh+VaTv /eTi3E+Xr7CXC5pZN3CiHqodh7B4GE+iJSDm3gpjqXwftif9lD52PJGcpr9QH4kH1ZIIg4x3eH WH77/wTdGhni5+ERtLPD5kjac92f/ASCN3lH1nsxciRIYq+RaVow7kfuYu4rWg6IRERJ3WjuAJ 1SQ= WDCIronportException: Internal Received: from unknown (HELO redsun52) ([10.149.66.28]) by uls-op-cesaip02.wdc.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 07 Apr 2020 10:08:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 18:08:03 +0100 (BST) From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" cc: Michael Matz , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , "Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc" , Jonathan Wakely , Segher Boessenkool , Alexander Monakov , Overseers mailing list , Florian Weimer Subject: Re: Not usable email content encoding In-Reply-To: <20200407160948.GA5548@cgf.cx> Message-ID: References: <20200318142239.GF112952@elastic.org> <3af9771e-e577-f2a1-843e-c2b078bfc4ea@t-online.de> <20200318162250.GG112952@elastic.org> <20200406210946.GY323051@elastic.org> <20200407152204.GD323051@elastic.org> <20200407160948.GA5548@cgf.cx> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LFD 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, MISSING_HEADERS, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: overseers@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Overseers mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 17:08:09 -0000 On Tue, 7 Apr 2020, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >In a way that's amusing and just reinforces my p.o.v. that DMARC is > >bollocks. > > Not that it means anything but I agree 100%. > > It's like whoever made the "standard" just said "to hell with mailing > lists". Maybe they just didn't know of their existence. Seriously. I have actually been more and more astonished recently with the discovery of people living in some kind of a parallel reality of Internet standards and practices, who never heard of solutions and habits I have known since forever and considered obvious. Especially as we now have an entirely new generation of IT people who never actually saw the Internet like it was back in 1990s and earlier on, simply because it was before they were born. Consequently things that used to work since forever start breaking and people you report such breakage to have no clue as to what you're talking about. Maciej