From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22774 invoked by alias); 6 Feb 2020 01:45:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact overseers-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: overseers-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 22749 invoked by uid 89); 6 Feb 2020 01:45:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,LIKELY_SPAM_BODY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.1 spammy=experts, offer, services X-HELO: us-smtp-1.mimecast.com Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com (HELO us-smtp-1.mimecast.com) (207.211.31.120) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:45:36 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1580953535; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gkfr8VbGtE3bLlnT8mCQNNHzoKwDcKGn33hFlpinGrw=; b=hVwiQ/PEInWioFm24LIomUZ66py8J52v8jg++TTM6Q6jfTJOIZ4O9oMjO75FBhpduDeFrl r6VgmjZqDdO/zi4klmAcn34mmtd57fKphYzeyBlVNKJ68mYtAn65mEEEm+seQ78V3oNgIy bRKAMWxR35pvjrMca4l1Cia7EO/rKyc= Received: from mail-qt1-f198.google.com (mail-qt1-f198.google.com [209.85.160.198]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-315-OzcEkDSpPaiBPi8_-mzIeQ-1; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 20:45:31 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f198.google.com with SMTP id p12so2757382qtu.6 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:45:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.4] (135-23-175-75.cpe.pppoe.ca. [135.23.175.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm689626qkk.106.2020.02.05.17.45.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Feb 2020 17:45:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Choice of distribution for new sourceware.org server? To: overseers@sourceware.org, Florian Weimer References: <74e963de-f7c8-33d0-d133-ada427c000a4@redhat.com> <20200206013050.GA16275@cgf.cx> From: Carlos O'Donell Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:45:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200206013050.GA16275@cgf.cx> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2020-q1/txt/msg00060.txt On 2/5/20 8:30 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 08:05:01PM -0500, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> May I ask why CentOS 8 was chosen as the distribution choice for >> the new sourceware.org servers? >> >> Is there any reason that RHEL 8 was not chosen? >> >> Alternatively Fedora Server on a faster update cycle? >> >> Was there any requirement or discussion around which distribution >> to choose for the new server? >> >> I can see RHEL 8 serving as a better platform than CentOS 8, particularly >> if Red Hat donates the licenses. >> >> Likewise using Fedora Server would keep all of our services running on >> the latest distribution with access to new server-side tooling for CI. >> >> Thank you for your time! > > I have suggested Fedora in the past and would be happy to be using it. I would also be happy to see us use Fedora. > I don't know what the difference would be between CentOS 8 and RHEL 8 > though. For us? * Directly faster security updates since CentOS 8 lags RHEL. * Access to ELS if we want to keep the server alive longer. * Support for things we don't have the time to fix or are outside our scope (kernel bugs). - Usually here we can rely on internal access to Red Hat experts. Do these things matter to us? Otherwise dog-fooding Fedora Server would give us the latest packages for services that sourceware could offer, but we'd have to update once a year. It would force us to actively track the software we're using and look at well supported alternatives e.g. postfix + mailman/public inbox vs. qmail + ezmlm. -- Cheers, Carlos.