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([2001:8a0:f93d:b900:bcc3:c180:a2a4:bece]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g4-20020a5d5404000000b0034ca136f0e9sm1510510wrv.88.2024.05.02.08.33.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 02 May 2024 08:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 16:33:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Updated Sourceware infrastructure plans To: Mark Wielaard , Jason Merrill Cc: Jeff Law , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , Joseph Myers , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Tom Tromey , Sergio Durigan Junior References: <20240417232725.GC25080@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20240418173726.GD9069@redhat.com> <87v849qudy.fsf@tromey.com> <87wmooep76.fsf@tromey.com> <0347e05a-94c6-4ecc-aa8f-cc90358a813d@gmail.com> <0d0af1d9-21f8-4c60-ad4c-cd82c0c0cabb@redhat.com> <20240501212618.GB6469@gnu.wildebeest.org> From: Pedro Alves Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <20240501212618.GB6469@gnu.wildebeest.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2024-05-01 22:26, Mark Wielaard wrote: > For now I am cleaning up Sergio's gerrit setup and upgrading it to the > latest version, so people can at least try it out. Although I must > admit that I seem to be the only Sourcewware PLC member that believes > this is very useful use of our resources. Even the biggest proponents > of gerrit seem to believe no project will actually adopt it. And on > irc there were some people really critical of the effort. It seems you > either love or really hate gerrit... When GDB upstream tried to use gerrit, I found it basically impossible to follow development, given the volume... The great thing with email is the threading of discussions. A discussion can fork into its own subthread, and any sane email client will display the discussion tree. Email archives also let you follow the discussion subthreads. That is great for archaeology too. With Gerrit that was basically lost, everything is super flat. And then following development via the gerrit instance website alone is just basically impossible too. I mean, gerrit is great to track your own patches, and for the actual review and diffing between versions. But for a maintainer who wants to stay on top of a project, then it's severely lacking, IME and IMO. (Note: I've been using Gerrit for a few years at AMD internally.)