moving rhug packages into Red Hat Linux?

moving rhug packages into Red Hat Linux?

[Per Bothner]

Red Hat Linux is becoming the "Red Hat Linux project" - see rhl.redhat.com.

"One of the goals of The Red Hat Linux project is to encourage a pool of
high-quality add-on packages; if we're successful, there will be so many
we won't be able to support all of them."

Perhaps some of the rhug packages should be distributed as part of Red
Hat Linux?  Pick out a couple of popular or useful packages to start
with:  Ant, Tomcat, ecj ...  (Tomcat is bigger than ideal, but of course
it is very useful to provide it.)

There are a number of packaging issues to resolve, of course, which is
why it makes sense to start with a few simple packages to work out the
issues.

I'm personally interested in adding Kawa to Red Hat Linux, but we need
to standardize on packaging issues.
-- 
	--Per Bothner
per@bothner.com   http://per.bothner.com/

Re: moving rhug packages into Red Hat Linux?

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Per" == Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> writes:

Per> Perhaps some of the rhug packages should be distributed as part
Per> of Red Hat Linux?

Sounds good to me.

Per> I'm personally interested in adding Kawa to Red Hat Linux, but we
Per> need to standardize on packaging issues.

We've already got some java (and gcj-) packaging standards internally.
Gary Benson has spearheaded that work.  Maybe he'll also spearhead
getting rhug applications into RHLP :-)

I'm interested in this, and I think we should be doing it.  Time is a
(negative) factor for me though.  Still, I think we'll see some of
this happen.

I know Gary looked at both the Debian java packaging guidelines and
also the jpackage guidelines.  I'm not sure if there are other
relevant ones.

Tom

Re: moving rhug packages into Red Hat Linux?

[Nicholas Wourms]

Tom Tromey wrote:
>>>>>>"Per" == Per Bothner <per@bothner.com> writes:
> 
> 
> Per> Perhaps some of the rhug packages should be distributed as part
> Per> of Red Hat Linux?
> 
> Sounds good to me.
> 
> Per> I'm personally interested in adding Kawa to Red Hat Linux, but we
> Per> need to standardize on packaging issues.
> 
> We've already got some java (and gcj-) packaging standards internally.
> Gary Benson has spearheaded that work.  Maybe he'll also spearhead
> getting rhug applications into RHLP :-)
> 
> I'm interested in this, and I think we should be doing it.  Time is a
> (negative) factor for me though.  Still, I think we'll see some of
> this happen.
> 
Speaking of which...

What ever happened to those rhug packages that showed up on rawhide for 
awhile during April-June?  Also, what's the story with the gcc-ssa that 
was in rawhide (I assume in conjunction with the rhug packages)?  I 
assume these packages are still being worked on internally, so any 
chance that they could be posted on people.redhat.com?  I mean, there's 
really nothing to loose by doing this, it would be useful in that bugs 
would be exposed faster...  I know some of the redhat gcc people monitor 
this list, so I'd like to say I think it would be cool if you guys made 
snapshot rpms of mainline and ssa for those of us who love living on the 
bleeding edge and are willing to assist in testing.

Also, why were the gcj Sun compatibility wrappers axed from severn?  I 
can't speak for everyone, but I found them quite useful.  They also 
seemed to be a very low-maintenance package.

Finally, are there any plans to transition to 
libtool-1.5/autoconf-2.5X/automake-1.7?

Cheers,
Nicholas

Re: moving rhug packages into Red Hat Linux?

[Gary Benson]

Nicholas Wourms wrote:
> What ever happened to those rhug packages that showed up on rawhide
> for awhile during April-June?  Also, what's the story with the
> gcc-ssa that was in rawhide (I assume in conjunction with the rhug
> packages)?  I assume these packages are still being worked on
> internally, so any chance that they could be posted on
> people.redhat.com?

Now _that_ is a good idea.  All those packages (except gcc-ssa) were
mine, repackaged RHUG packages which I've been working on internally.
I hadn't wanted them in rawhide because there are still a few big
issues with them -- my past experience has been that putting such
packages in rawhide results in a flood of 'Warg, package $foo doesn't
work on my box, Red Hat sux!!!!!' messages that waste a lot of time.
(Subscribe to rhl-beta-list@redhat.com and you'll get the message!)
But a low-publicity release on people.redhat.com might be just the
ticket.  I'll let you know how I get on.

> Also, why were the gcj Sun compatibility wrappers axed from severn?
> I can't speak for everyone, but I found them quite useful.  They
> also seemed to be a very low-maintenance package.

What, you mean gcj-jdk or whatever it was called?  There were issues
with it that nobody had the time or inclination to resolve, so they
were dropped.

Cheers,
Gary

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Re: moving rhug packages into Red Hat Linux?

[Gary Benson]

Gary Benson wrote:
> Nicholas Wourms wrote:
> > What ever happened to those rhug packages that showed up on
> > rawhide for awhile during April-June?  Also, what's the story with
> > the gcc-ssa that was in rawhide (I assume in conjunction with the
> > rhug packages)?  I assume these packages are still being worked on
> > internally, so any chance that they could be posted on
> > people.redhat.com?
> 
> Now _that_ is a good idea.  All those packages (except gcc-ssa) were
> mine, repackaged RHUG packages which I've been working on
> internally.  I hadn't wanted them in rawhide because there are still
> a few big issues with them ... [b]ut a low-publicity release on
> people.redhat.com might be just the ticket.

The packages are available at http://people.redhat.com/gbenson/naoko/
if you wish to experiment with them.  They're built for Red Hat Linux 9.

Gary

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