RE: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-complian t?

RE: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-complian t?

[William Gacquer]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Roxborough [ mailto:irox@redhat.com ]
> Sent: mardi 19 septembre 2000 16:05
> Cc: sourcenav@sources.redhat.com
> Subject: Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN
> Gnome-complian t?
> 
> 
> 
> What advantages are we going to get from rewritting
> the GUI in wxWindows?

Integration with gtk and/or win32?

> 
> I think that it should be relatively easy to add most
> of the missing feature to Tk.

I am not a Tk expert but I believe in what you said :-)
> 
> One thing that we do plan on doing to remove Tix and
> start using BLT, but this won't happen until after
> the next major release.
> 
> Upgrading the version of Tcl/Tk the SN uses we also
> buy us extra features, I'm hoping that we can do this
> in sync with switch over to BLT.
> 
> Comments?
> 
 iTcl, iTk, Tix, BLT, etc.. that's a lot of extensions....
Nevertheless, I will trust what you'll chose!

>  Ian
> 
> William Gacquer wrote:
> > 
> > Why not? wxWindows has some good extensions. One of them is OGL, the
> > "Objects Graphics Library" that allows to create "Rose-like 
> GUIs" is a few
> > minutes.
> > 
> > But that would require a lot of work to move from TK to 
> wxWindows, even if
> > it's worth the pain.
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tee Y Teoh [ mailto:tee_yong.teoh@alcatel.com ]
> > > Sent: mardi 19 septembre 2000 15:32
> > > Cc: sourcenav@sources.redhat.com
> > > Subject: Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN
> > > Gnome-complian t?
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian Roxborough wrote:
> > >
> > > > Maintain two UIs, one GTK compliant, one for the rest
> > > > of the work, just won't fly.
> > >
> > > What about porting to wxWindows ? wxWindows is support on
> > > MS-Windows, Unix/Motif,
> > > Unix/GTK,  and Mac (with work going on for OS/2). wxWindows
> > > is  written in C++
> > > and has a Python binding. See http://www.wxwindows.org/ 
> for more info.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Tee Teoh
> > >
> 

Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-comp lian t?

[Timothy M. Shead]

William Gacquer wrote:

> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ian Roxborough [ mailto:irox@redhat.com ]
>> Sent: mardi 19 septembre 2000 16:05
>> Cc: sourcenav@sources.redhat.com
>> Subject: Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN
>> Gnome-complian t?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What advantages are we going to get from rewritting
>> the GUI in wxWindows?
> 
> 
> Integration with gtk and/or win32?
> 
I don't think it's well known (at least I didn't know - and I've been 
using SN for over a year) that SN works fine under Win32 - I've got a 
copy running at the office.  So WxWindows isn't going to get you 
anything in terms of platform compatibility that Tcl/Tk doesn't already 
have.  (GTK+ is another thing, of course).

Regards,
Timothy M. Shead
tshead@k-3d.com

Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-comp lian t?

[Netalex]

----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy M. Shead <tshead@k-3d.com>
To: <sourcenav@sources.redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-comp
lian t?


> > I don't think it's well known (at least I didn't know - and I've been
> using SN for over a year) that SN works fine under Win32 - I've got a
> copy running at the office.
But how it's possible that everyone says " oh how cool is SN on w9x\NT\2000
Box!" And i can nl view this fucked error message, even whit the new SN452
version??
Btw, the error message is again
"fatal error in wish
 coldn't read file ..\cygnus\sn452\share\bitmaps\clsbr_pv+-.xpm: No Error."
Help pleeease!! Where is my mistake?
PS: excuse me the OT.
[snip]

RE: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-comp lian t?

[Mo DeJong]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, William Gacquer wrote:

> I don't care about the GUI colors and so on. By "gnome-compliant", I meant
> "D&D-enabled" + a project file in XML ( XMI? ) etc...

Well, D&D is something that is being worked on for Tk 8.4, when it
is fixed in Tk it will be fixed in SN. Moving the project file
over to XML would mean we would need to add an XML parser,
it might not be a bad idea but it could be a lot of work.

> I asked that cos I believe that it would be easier to enhance SN by some
> kind of gnome-compliant interface. For instance, the include and xref graphs
> could be interfaced with DIA, the diagram editor.
>
> The very best would be to transform SN into a case tool able to treat UML
> diagrams. 

That would be nice. Of course, someone would need to step up
to the plate and write the code. I don't think we will be doing
it anytime soon.

Mo DeJong
Red Hat Inc

Re: silly question : how long would it take to make SN Gnome-comp lian t?

[Bruce Stephens]

William Gacquer <wgacquer@ubisoft.fr> writes:

> I don't care about the GUI colors and so on. By "gnome-compliant", I
> meant "D&D-enabled" + a project file in XML ( XMI? ) etc...

The project file itself contains lots of information that most tools
won't care about, I think.  Really you want to look at the databases
themselves (the things by default in .snprj).  These are Berkeley db
databases whose contents are fairly well documented.

The harder problem looks like updating the databases should a file be
edited (if you were using this in gIDE or something).  However, that's
probably not too hard either---I just don't know how to do it, except
in outline.

> I asked that cos I believe that it would be easier to enhance SN by
> some kind of gnome-compliant interface. For instance, the include
> and xref graphs could be interfaced with DIA, the diagram editor.

Entirely possible: the databases are pretty easy to read.  They're in
a rather old format, but that probably doesn't matter much (either
link with db-1.86, or change SN to use a more recent db).

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