Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Emilio Riva]

It's a lot of time that Sorce Navigator development seems to be stopped (no
new releases, no news): are you still working on it? I've only found a
SourceForge project to extend the graphic interface...
There are a lot of little problems with actual release of snavigator:
Project Editor don't work correctly, the cross-reference functionality
hangs frequently with big project trees, it's not easy to extend syntax
(i.e. like in vim or scintilla text editor)... And what about adding
doxygen/javadoc extended comment support? And an easier way to extend user
menu, configuration tools,...? And a better support for teams of developers
working on the same project tree and on the same (big) server? I mean, in
this case the cross reference database should be shared, not duplicated for
every developer...
I think that snavigator is a great tool, and I hope you'll find the time to
continue it's development and optimization.

thank you,
Emilio Riva

Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[irox]

Hi,

would you be interested in contributing any of
the features that you talked about in your email?

Ian.


On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:56:08 +0200
"Emilio Riva" <Emilio.Riva@marconi.com> wrote:

> It's a lot of time that Sorce Navigator development seems to be stopped (no
> new releases, no news): are you still working on it? I've only found a
> SourceForge project to extend the graphic interface...
> There are a lot of little problems with actual release of snavigator:
> Project Editor don't work correctly, the cross-reference functionality
> hangs frequently with big project trees, it's not easy to extend syntax
> (i.e. like in vim or scintilla text editor)... And what about adding
> doxygen/javadoc extended comment support? And an easier way to extend user
> menu, configuration tools,...? And a better support for teams of developers
> working on the same project tree and on the same (big) server? I mean, in
> this case the cross reference database should be shared, not duplicated for
> every developer...
> I think that snavigator is a great tool, and I hope you'll find the time to
> continue it's development and optimization.
> 
> thank you,
> Emilio Riva
> 


-- 

Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Bill Brune]

Hi all,

Well, for me, this tool is a boon for my development problems.  I have to deal
with
over 10 Million lines of C++ spread over some 900 directories with no real
organization.
Source Nav builds a database in about 4 hours and then I don't have to care
where anything lives.
It tells me exactly what I want to know, where things are declared and where
things are implemented. and
then zaps me to them.  Perfect.

I don't care for the editor, so I modified a button on the editor pane
to pop up gvim on the current file to edit it, and I fixed the
revision-control functions to check-in and out of clearcase.
The rest is perfect.   The include map is something to behold (at least for my
code), and the class tree is just great.

This tool is a piece of work.  Thanks to everyone.

-Bill Brune


Emilio Riva wrote:

> It's a lot of time that Sorce Navigator development seems to be stopped (no
> new releases, no news): are you still working on it? I've only found a
> SourceForge project to extend the graphic interface...
> There are a lot of little problems with actual release of snavigator:
> Project Editor don't work correctly, the cross-reference functionality
> hangs frequently with big project trees, it's not easy to extend syntax
> (i.e. like in vim or scintilla text editor)... And what about adding
> doxygen/javadoc extended comment support? And an easier way to extend user
> menu, configuration tools,...? And a better support for teams of developers
> working on the same project tree and on the same (big) server? I mean, in
> this case the cross reference database should be shared, not duplicated for
> every developer...
> I think that snavigator is a great tool, and I hope you'll find the time to
> continue it's development and optimization.
>
> thank you,
> Emilio Riva

Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Khamis Abuelkomboz]

well, my logic in adding components and improving SN is based on my 
needs. So I added
all the parsers (in sn-extensions) because I had to deal with those 
languages, especially the
html parser. the bug fixes camed mostly for the editor, the symbol 
browser  and the grep
functionality (the part I work with).

As Irox mentioned, if you run into the need of failed functionality take 
for you some
hours and try to add some stuff to SN. I agree, that this is not easy, 
but with our
help, you should be able to do some work in this way.

Emilio Riva wrote:

>It's a lot of time that Sorce Navigator development seems to be stopped (no
>new releases, no news): are you still working on it? I've only found a
>SourceForge project to extend the graphic interface...
>
and some couple of new parsers ..

>
>There are a lot of little problems with actual release of snavigator:
>Project Editor don't work correctly, the cross-reference functionality
>hangs frequently with big project trees, 
>
For your unluck,  I don't use xref, so there will be no improvment
on xref coming from me.

>it's not easy to extend syntax
>(i.e. like in vim or scintilla text editor)...
>
Using external editors is possible in SN, it's the question how good :-) 
Actually
you can specify for every language type an external editor (did you know 
this?)

> And what about adding
>doxygen/javadoc extended comment support? 
>
I don't work with Java. Once I get a project in java I would go and 
implement the failed
components (sounds waiting for some years, so don't really wait for this 
:-).

>And an easier way to extend user
>menu, configuration tools,...? And a better support for teams of developers
>working on the same project tree and on the same (big) server? I mean, in
>this case the cross reference database should be shared, not duplicated for
>every developer...
>
It's possible in SN to share the same project (one of the hidden 
functionalities in SN). Just open the
project as different user. It's not real project sharing, but something 
of DB-like sharing.

>
>I think that snavigator is a great tool, and I hope you'll find the time to
>continue it's development and optimization.
>
>thank you,
>Emilio Riva
>
>

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--
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Khamis Abuelkomboz
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http://khamis.oimanager.de

Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Left Spin]

I think the number one barrier to entry for working on this project is the 
lack of a good debug environment. Issuing messages to the log file is too 
slow and cumbersome. When I mentioned the TclPro debugger, which has a great 
interface, I got no response. When I'm able to, I'll work on building TclPro 
v1.5 for Windows so I can work on SN. I had previously used a trial period 
version of the Aspen release, and I was begining to figure out the SN code 
base. My trial period has expired, but I am convinced using log file 
deugging techniques will be too slow to work on SN with. Please keep in mind 
that people new to working on this product will have to learn tcl/tk, 
itcl/itk, the SN code base, and probably other packages I'm not even aware 
of yet. It's a very large task. A good debugging package is essential to 
getting more people to work on SN.

Thanks,

>From: "Emilio Riva" <Emilio.Riva@marconi.com>
>To: irox@sbglobal.net
>CC: sourcenav@sources.redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?
>Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:02:26 +0200
>
>I don't know if I'll be able to do something useful... sooner or later I'd
>like to join to an Open Source project: how do you organize your work? via
>Web CVS?
>
>Emilio
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > would you be interested in contributing any of
> > the features that you talked about in your email?
> >
> > Ian.
>




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Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Emilio Riva]

As I said, this is a good work... anyway, it's not bug-free.
the navigator (in particular, "hyper" task)  hangs a lot of times in our
software tree, maybe for the presence of relatively complex macros... is
there a way to catch some error messages? I could post these messages to
the developers to help understanding the problem.
When you switch to another editor (gvim, scite, xemacs,...) you loose the
context menu... I'm wrong? Is there the possibility to interface an
external editor with Source Navigator? Somewhere I saw a project that
integrates gvim with cscope, that's a similar approach.

Emilio




Sent by:  brune@ltx.com


To:   Emilio Riva <Emilio.Riva@marconi.com>
cc:   sourcenav@sources.redhat.com

Subject:  Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?


Hi all,

Well, for me, this tool is a boon for my development problems.  I have to
deal
with
over 10 Million lines of C++ spread over some 900 directories with no real
organization.
Source Nav builds a database in about 4 hours and then I don't have to care
where anything lives.
It tells me exactly what I want to know, where things are declared and
where
things are implemented. and
then zaps me to them.  Perfect.

I don't care for the editor, so I modified a button on the editor pane
to pop up gvim on the current file to edit it, and I fixed the
revision-control functions to check-in and out of clearcase.
The rest is perfect.   The include map is something to behold (at least for
my
code), and the class tree is just great.

This tool is a piece of work.  Thanks to everyone.

-Bill Brune


Emilio Riva wrote:

> It's a lot of time that Sorce Navigator development seems to be stopped
(no
> new releases, no news): are you still working on it? I've only found a
> SourceForge project to extend the graphic interface...
> There are a lot of little problems with actual release of snavigator:
> Project Editor don't work correctly, the cross-reference functionality
> hangs frequently with big project trees, it's not easy to extend syntax
> (i.e. like in vim or scintilla text editor)... And what about adding
> doxygen/javadoc extended comment support? And an easier way to extend
user
> menu, configuration tools,...? And a better support for teams of
developers
> working on the same project tree and on the same (big) server? I mean, in
> this case the cross reference database should be shared, not duplicated
for
> every developer...
> I think that snavigator is a great tool, and I hope you'll find the time
to
> continue it's development and optimization.
>
> thank you,
> Emilio Riva

Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Emilio Riva]

I don't know if I'll be able to do something useful... sooner or later I'd
like to join to an Open Source project: how do you organize your work? via
Web CVS?

Emilio


> Hi,
>
> would you be interested in contributing any of
> the features that you talked about in your email?
>
> Ian.

Re: Sorry, but... this project is still alive?

[Randall R Schulz]

At 01:56 2002-04-11, Emilio Riva wrote:
>It's a lot of time that Source Navigator development seems to be stopped 
>(no new releases, no news): are you still working on it? I've only found a 
>SourceForge project to extend the graphic interface... There are a lot of 
>little problems with actual release of snavigator: Project Editor don't 
>work correctly, the cross-reference functionality hangs frequently with 
>big project trees, it's not easy to extend syntax (i.e. like in vim or 
>scintilla text editor)... And what about adding doxygen/javadoc extended 
>comment support? And an easier way to extend user menu, configuration 
>tools,...? And a better support for teams of developers working on the 
>same project tree and on the same (big) server? I mean, in this case the 
>cross reference database should be shared, not duplicated for every 
>developer...
>
>I think that snavigator is a great tool, and I hope you'll find the time 
>to continue it's development and optimization.
>
>thank you,
>Emilio Riva



Emilio,

I don't think that's accurate. This message is only a couple of weeks old:

>Sender: sourcenav-owner@sources.redhat.com
>Message-ID: <3C9E5B3E.1080409@gmx.de>
>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 00:03:26 +0100
>From: khamis2@t-online.de (Khamis Abuelkomboz)
>To: sourcenav@sources.redhat.com
>Subject: Source-Navigator 5.0E for Redhat 7.2
>
>Hi All,
>
>I built a good Source-Navigator Release including many bug fixes and a new 
>design for the gui. You would be able to add/remove files from the browser 
>and edit more than one file in a window. It's a clean and good release. I 
>named the release SN5.0E, what means a a sn release including the 
>extensions of www.oimanger.de
>
>Actually I have had so few time to get this work done. a release for 
>windows and the packaged source code are coming soon.
>
>download the binary package from
>
>
>http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/sn-extensions/SN50E-020324-redhat7.2.tar.gz
>
>khamis


Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA