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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	 ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	systemtap@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:50:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1215265789.3439.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080705100536.GA18534@lst.de>

On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 12:05 +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 11:44:09AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Also, it would be really great if you could write probes in regular C,
> > some pseudo C language just messes up my mind.
> 
> You can write probes in plain C, in fact I do this all the time.  what's
> missing is a nice and easy to use channel to get the traces to userspace
> and interpret them, and helper for poking at kernel data structures.

To be fair, you can simply "just write" entry (jprobes) and return
probes (kretprobes).  For the entry probes, if you want access to the
function arguments you need to know the deep magic of the calling
conventions of your platform (pretty easy on x86, though).  However,
what you can't just write are the arbitrary kprobes in file x line y
because you need to know all the nasty details of dwarf to have a clue
what the absolute address is and where all the local varaibles you're
trying to look at are.  Now ... is using systemtap to do this easier
than printk?  For me, yes, since a recompile reboot sequence takes quite
a while, perhaps for someone with a faster machine ...

For getting information back, as you know, systemtap uses relayfs.  It's
not the most friendly or efficient thing in the world, so I'm happy to
have it wrappered by systemtap ...

James


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-05 13:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-30 13:57 DTrace Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-30 19:00 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace Grant Grundler
2008-06-30 19:40 ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-30 20:00   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-30 20:19     ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-30 21:12       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-30 23:02         ` David Miller
2008-06-30 21:13       ` James Bottomley
2008-06-30 22:10       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-01  2:42         ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-01  7:08           ` Roland McGrath
2008-07-01 10:15             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-01 11:04               ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-07-01 12:13                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 20:27                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-07-01 20:06               ` Roland McGrath
2008-07-01 23:13                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-02  2:23                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-02 19:27                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-02 21:40                     ` Potential Systemtap topics for the Kernel Summit Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 21:51                       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Jonathan Corbet
2008-07-02 23:41                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-07-02 22:38                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-02 22:54                       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Stephen Hemminger
2008-07-03  0:44                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-03  1:02                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-03  1:50                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-03  1:51                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-02 20:08                   ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace Joel Becker
2008-07-02 20:17                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-02 20:41                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-02 21:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-02 21:30                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 21:46                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-05  9:46                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-05 10:07                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 12:12                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-05 18:08                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 13:50                       ` James Bottomley [this message]
2008-07-05 18:08                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 18:05                       ` K.Prasad
2008-07-07 14:36                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-07 17:44                           ` K.Prasad
2008-07-05 12:34                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-01  5:29   ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2008-06-30 19:59 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-30 23:52   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-08 23:32   ` Eric W. Biederman
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     [not found]     ` <1214583502.7698.15.camel@weaponx>
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2008-06-30 19:27                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-01  1:21                   ` Jim Keniston
     [not found]                   ` <20080706123414.GA9265@lst.de>
2008-07-06 15:47                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-06 16:36                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-06 18:05                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-06 18:24                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-06 21:46                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-06 22:47                               ` Karen Shaeffer
2008-07-06 23:15                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-07  5:59                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-07 11:19                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
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     [not found]       ` <aday74qlh08.fsf@cisco.com>
     [not found]         ` <4865B111.2040307@redhat.com>
     [not found]           ` <adavdzujh2u.fsf@cisco.com>
     [not found]             ` <20080704200055.GA11232@synapse.neuralscape.com>
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     [not found]                 ` <1215273663.3439.34.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2008-07-06 23:33                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-07 14:35                     ` James Bottomley
2008-07-07 15:02                     ` James Bottomley

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