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From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Martin Hunt <hunt@redhat.com>
Cc: systemtap@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: kprobe fault handling
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:49:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060211004909.GE19238@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1139614648.3947.22.camel@monkey2>

Hi -

> > Those kernel functions are similarly unsafe (for purposes of
> > systemtap), since they can sleep (wait while page faults are being
> > serviced).  
>
> I started this whole thread to explain that my tests were now
> showing that was indeed the case.

Why was that news, given my repeated warning to this effect?

> However that was due to an easily fixed bug in the fault handler.

Perhaps so, but:

> You can't deem high-level functions unsafe to use because a bug in a
> lower-level routine temporarily made them that way.

Temporarily?  And it's not just that routine.  The larger problem is
sleeping/rescheduling/locking, not just faulting.  This lesson made an
earlier appearance with printk.

> > This is why Roland went out of his way to collect
> > alternatives in loc2c-runtime.h.  This was explained at the time.
> 
> IIRC, he explained to you why using __get_user_asm was safe. That is the
> same function used by copy_from_user and get_user. 

It may be that even those are not sufficiently safe (i.e., not
stressed enough on pessimistic cases such as valid user addresses that
are paged out).  Or maybe they are used just differently enough to
have made them work.  How much analysis went into your variant, beyond
bypassing the might_sleep warning?

- FChE

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-11  0:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-06 19:49 Martin Hunt
2006-02-07  0:51 ` Jim Keniston
2006-02-07 17:31   ` Jim Keniston
2006-02-07 17:50     ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-07 19:49       ` Jim Keniston
2006-02-08  4:38         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-02-08 11:32           ` Richard J Moore
2006-02-09  7:23             ` Prasanna S Panchamukhi
2006-02-09 16:33               ` Keshavamurthy Anil S
2006-02-09 21:35               ` Jim Keniston
2006-02-09 22:06                 ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-10  5:39                   ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-10 21:46                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-02-10 21:55                       ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-10 22:12                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-02-10 22:17                           ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-10 22:20                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-02-10 22:41                               ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-10 22:47                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-02-10 23:36                                   ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-11  0:49                                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2006-02-12  1:26                                       ` Martin Hunt
2006-02-13 13:39                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-09  8:55 Mao, Bibo
2006-02-09 10:22 ` Richard J Moore
2006-02-07 22:19 Keshavamurthy, Anil S
2006-02-07 20:36 Keshavamurthy, Anil S
2006-02-07 20:48 ` Martin Hunt
2005-09-06 12:56 Prasanna S Panchamukhi
2005-09-06 15:09 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2005-09-08 11:52   ` Prasanna S Panchamukhi
2005-09-08 17:42     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2005-09-06  1:06 Frank Ch. Eigler

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