From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11396 invoked by alias); 1 Jul 2008 05:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 11388 invoked by uid 22791); 1 Jul 2008 05:29:55 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com (HELO e33.co.us.ibm.com) (32.97.110.151) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:29:33 +0000 Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e33.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m615TVfo016167 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:29:31 -0400 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (d03av01.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.167]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.0) with ESMTP id m615TVtC139482 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:29:31 -0600 Received: from d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m615TU6l013619 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:29:31 -0600 Received: from thinktux.in.ibm.com (N20wks267511wss.in.ibm.com [9.124.31.23]) by d03av01.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m615TTd9013595; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:29:30 -0600 Received: from thinktux.in.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thinktux.in.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2100B1570C1; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:58:57 +0530 (IST) Received: (from ananth@localhost) by thinktux.in.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m615SrF2006746; Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:58:53 +0530 Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 05:29:00 -0000 From: Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli To: Theodore Tso Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, systemtap@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace Message-ID: <20080701052853.GA3596@in.ibm.com> Reply-To: ananth@in.ibm.com References: <20080630010423.GA7068@redhat.com> <20080630181959.GA7988@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080630181959.GA7988@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact systemtap-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: systemtap-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2008-q3/txt/msg00002.txt.bz2 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:19:59PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 09:04:23PM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > * tapsets > > > > Theodore is mistaken that we are deflecting the job of tapset (probe > > macro; abstracting architecture and kernel version-change - > > $foo->bar->baz, function names) authorship. We have asked for help, > > and have received a little, but the group has in fact authored a > > growing collection of this stuff. > > Well I've heard the line that it's up to the kernel subsystem experts > to write tapsets from Ulrich Drepper (on the ksummit-2008-discuss > list) and from Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli (private communication) so I > think it's fair to say that at least some people associated with > Systemtap have been placing the blame for the lack of tapsets on the > kernel developers. I wouldn't call that 'blame'. What I was trying to say simply was that kernel subsystem experts are best suited to identify the location and types of data one could extract from their subsystem. I believe that is also what Ulrich was trying to say. Apologies if you felt I was blaming anybody. Ananth