From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
systemtap@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:23:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080702022213.GG15872@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080701231327.GA5829@mit.edu>
Hi -
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 07:13:27PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 01:06:32PM -0700, Roland McGrath wrote:
> > Like I said, the essential command is eu-strip -f. It is simple to use.
> >
> > For one's own local hacking purposes, there is no real reason to bother
> > with strip-to-file complexities. You can just copy the unstripped files
> > before stripping them. [...]
> Well, actually, it *does* matter, at least to me. [...] I might
> have five, six, seven, eight or more kernels installed. And on a
> number of my systems, the amount of space on the parititons where
> /boot and /lib live can't take the space demands of compiling the
> kernel and modules with -g.
You simply misunderstood Roland's suggestion: that you save the
unstripped copies of vmlinux etc. someplace - anyplace - for
systemtap's use, and that you strip (as normal) the pieces that go
into /boot. No one is asking you to enlarge your boot partition.
> [...] And one of the major flaws of the Linux's RAS tools is that
> the LKML development community doesn't use them; and to the extent
> that tapsets would be written more quickly if they are easy for
> kernel developers [...]
Point taken (and applies broadly to all the other RAS tools).
> In the past two years, I've on average tried Systemtap every 9
> months or so, and each time, I'd hit a different annoying roadblock,
> and then I was so busy I would move on to a more productive way of
> solving my problems. [...]
Hearing about your problems at the time could well have steered us
toward focusing on their solution.
There has been a bit of a vicious circle in play: apparent lack of
interest from the LKML community drives focus toward on customery
problem areas, which then apparently disappoints (members of) the LKML
community into more disinterst. Let's break this.
- FChE
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-30 13:57 DTrace Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-30 19:00 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace Grant Grundler
2008-06-30 19:40 ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-30 20:00 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-30 20:19 ` Theodore Tso
2008-06-30 21:12 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-30 23:02 ` David Miller
2008-06-30 21:13 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-30 22:10 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-01 2:42 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-01 7:08 ` Roland McGrath
2008-07-01 10:15 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-01 11:04 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-07-01 12:13 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 20:27 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-07-01 20:06 ` Roland McGrath
2008-07-01 23:13 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 2:23 ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2008-07-02 19:27 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-02 21:40 ` Potential Systemtap topics for the Kernel Summit Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 21:51 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Jonathan Corbet
2008-07-02 23:41 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-07-02 22:38 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-02 22:54 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Stephen Hemminger
2008-07-03 0:44 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-03 1:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-03 1:50 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-03 1:51 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-07-02 20:08 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace Joel Becker
2008-07-02 20:17 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-02 20:41 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-02 21:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-07-02 21:30 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-02 21:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-07-05 9:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-05 10:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 12:12 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-05 18:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 13:50 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-05 18:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-05 18:05 ` K.Prasad
2008-07-07 14:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-07 17:44 ` K.Prasad
2008-07-05 12:34 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-01 5:29 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2008-06-30 19:59 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-30 23:52 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-08 23:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2008-06-30 19:27 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-01 1:21 ` Jim Keniston
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2008-07-06 15:47 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-06 16:36 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-06 18:05 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-06 18:24 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-06 21:46 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-06 22:47 ` Karen Shaeffer
2008-07-06 23:15 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-07 5:59 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-07 11:19 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
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2008-07-06 23:33 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-07 14:35 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-07 15:02 ` James Bottomley
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