From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6840 invoked by alias); 2 Jul 2008 21:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6808 invoked by uid 22791); 2 Jul 2008 21:30:24 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_SOFTFAIL X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from www.church-of-our-saviour.org (HELO thunker.thunk.org) (69.25.196.31) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:30:03 +0000 Received: from root (helo=closure.thunk.org) by thunker.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1KE9tI-0007WV-RX; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:29:28 -0400 Received: from tytso by closure.thunk.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KE9tI-000685-90; Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:29:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:30:00 -0000 From: Theodore Tso To: "J. Bruce Fields" Cc: Roland McGrath , ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, systemtap@sources.redhat.com Bcc: tytso@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] DTrace Message-ID: <20080702212928.GE14639@mit.edu> References: <20080630192533.GE21660@redhat.com> <20080630201031.GF7988@mit.edu> <20080630204219.GA6631@redhat.com> <20080701024140.GB28143@mit.edu> <20080701070746.C6DAD15420E@magilla.localdomain> <20080701101507.GB22717@mit.edu> <20080701200632.6790A1541F5@magilla.localdomain> <20080701231327.GA5829@mit.edu> <20080702200650.GJ29916@mail.oracle.com> <20080702201637.GL17296@fieldses.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080702201637.GL17296@fieldses.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@mit.edu X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mailing-List: contact systemtap-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: systemtap-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2008-q3/txt/msg00021.txt.bz2 On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 04:16:37PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > That would be nice. But I'm afraid I normally don't even have access to > the kernel tree on the machine I'm installing to--I usually build a > monolithic kernel and then scp it to the test machines. Is there hope > for me? > Well, that's why I build kernels packaged up in .deb format; it's much easier to scp a .deb file over to a test machine and install it. The take-home here is that "make deb-pkg" and "make rpm-pkg" should ideally create bare-bones linux-image, linux-headers, and linux-debuginfo packages. Maybe no distribution will ever use it, but it will be invaluable for kernel developers. The good news is that a member of the Debian kernel team member contacted me off-line and mentioned that he plans to work with Sam to send a patch series to get "make deb-pkg" working again, and in the long term with proper debuginfo support. Maybe someone will be inspired to enhance "rpm-pkg" to do the right thing. - Ted