From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4331 invoked by alias); 18 Dec 2008 23:59:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4323 invoked by uid 22791); 18 Dec 2008 23:59:39 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,KAM_MX X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,KAM_MX X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp (HELO fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp) (192.51.44.37) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:59:04 +0000 Received: from m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp ([10.0.50.73]) by fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp (Fujitsu Gateway) with ESMTP id mBINx0rf028659 for (envelope-from kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com); Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:59:01 +0900 Received: from smail (m3 [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6888E45DD7D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:59:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from s3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (s3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp [10.0.50.93]) by m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF2945DD78 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:59:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from s3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by s3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66011DB803F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:58:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml14.s.css.fujitsu.com (ml14.s.css.fujitsu.com [10.249.87.104]) by s3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948B81DB803B for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:58:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml14.css.fujitsu.com (ml14 [127.0.0.1]) by ml14.s.css.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720E79F5DC5; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:58:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.124.100.179]) by ml14.s.css.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57779F5DC6; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:58:58 +0900 (JST) From: KOSAKI Motohiro To: fche@redhat.com (Frank Ch. Eigler) Subject: Re: Discussion at Linux Foundation Japan Symposium Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, Satoshi OSHIMA , systemtap@sourceware.org, , , Yumiko SUGITA In-Reply-To: References: <494A053D.4030808@hitachi.com> Message-Id: <20081219085519.041D.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO@jp.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.42 [ja] Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:08:00 -0000 X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact systemtap-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: systemtap-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2008-q4/txt/msg00608.txt.bz2 > > (3) Make no debuginfo version > > > Systemtap always requires kernel debuginfo to use. Unfortunately, > > it is hard for users of some distributions to have debuginfo. > > Those distributions ought to be lobbied to improve this situation, > since there are many non-systemtap uses of debugging data - such as > debuggers, kernel- and user-space crash dump analysis tools. I don't agree. In enterprise usage, crash dump analysis is provided by vendor. but tapset run on customer. They use the same OS/kernel. but different person, different machine.