From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: systemtap@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: Discussion at Linux Foundation Japan Symposium
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:29:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090111162912.GC18407@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090110024810.GL23869@mit.edu>
Hi -
On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 09:48:10PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> [...]
> *) One of the really important reasons why SystemTap needs to move
> runtime into the kernel is because especially for the community
> distributions, [e.g. rawhide].
> If the SystemTap runtime is bundled with the kernel, then it's
> much more likely that end users who want to use the daily kernel
> RPM's will also be able to use SystemTap.
That is one possible solution for this specific problem -- rawhide
systemtap users who're unable/unwilling to build systemtap out of git
occasoinally. (Remember that the recent 2.6.28 breakage took a few
hours to fix.)
Another solution would be for rawhide-style distributions to
aggressively package systemtap snapshots into their development
streams -- as some are doing already. (We could have semiautomated
snapshots going straight into fedora rawhide too, and could increase
the rate of minor releases.)
> *) Systemtap needs to be adpted to use tracepoints, quickly [...]
We will work on this very soon.
> and eventually I suspect markers infrastructure will probably
> disappear entirely since tracepoints are perceived as better and
> as their replacement.
(That would probably hurt lttng more than it would systemtap.)
> Personally, I haven't had a chance to analyze them deeply enough
> to know whether this is true, but it's clearly the long-term
> direction. [...]
I hope that before this long-term direction is brought into effect,
someone does sit down and analyze the issue deeply enough.
> SystemTap resisted making an effort get its runtime into the kernel,
> now that the ftrace infrastructure is in the kernel, the principle of
> not merging code that duplicates functionality means that this makes
> Systemtap now needs to adapt what infrastructure did get merged for
> its purposes, since it will be much more difficult get parallel
> functionality merged into the kernel.
You overestimate the amount of duplicated functionality. For modern
kernels, systemtap uses the standard in-kernel relay API, with a tiny
shim. (If the relay API were ever removed, systemtap would just
switch to another existing API. Plain buffering is not rocket
science.)
- FChE
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-11 16:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-22 18:22 Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-12-22 20:38 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-22 22:41 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-12-23 0:33 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-23 0:34 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-23 0:44 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-23 21:13 ` Roland McGrath
2008-12-23 22:13 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-23 14:28 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-12-23 22:21 ` Roland McGrath
2008-12-23 22:33 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-23 22:44 ` Roland McGrath
2008-12-24 3:40 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-24 8:48 ` Roland McGrath
2008-12-24 18:14 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-24 19:26 ` Roland McGrath
2008-12-24 21:02 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-26 18:17 ` Roland McGrath
2008-12-23 23:27 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-24 6:11 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-01-10 2:48 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-11 16:29 ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2009-01-12 18:18 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-01-12 18:53 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-01-12 19:29 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2009-01-12 19:26 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-12 20:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-01-12 19:05 ` Jason Baron
2009-01-12 19:52 ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-12 20:32 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-01-08 9:22 ` Roland McGrath
2009-01-10 1:33 ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-22 23:34 ` Masami Hiramatsu
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-18 8:33 Satoshi OSHIMA
2008-12-18 8:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-12-18 9:07 ` Jun Koi
2008-12-18 9:21 ` jidong xiao
2008-12-18 9:28 ` Jun Koi
2008-12-18 9:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-12-18 9:37 ` Jun Koi
2008-12-18 9:42 ` Jun Koi
2008-12-18 9:46 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-12-18 9:58 ` K.Prasad
2008-12-18 10:02 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-12-18 10:21 ` K.Prasad
2008-12-18 15:52 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-18 15:41 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-18 17:11 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-12-19 0:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-12-19 0:58 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-12-19 1:39 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-12-19 23:51 ` William Cohen
2008-12-20 1:51 ` Richard J Moore
2008-12-20 14:27 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-12-19 0:45 ` Masami Hiramatsu
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