From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16129 invoked by alias); 31 Oct 2006 23:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 16121 invoked by uid 22791); 31 Oct 2006 23:04:44 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com (HELO e5.ny.us.ibm.com) (32.97.182.145) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:04:40 +0000 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e5.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9VN4csN005397 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:04:38 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k9VN4V9I272516 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:04:36 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k9VN4UmB003685 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:04:30 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sig-9-65-16-234.mts.ibm.com [9.65.16.234]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k9VN4SAw003122; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:04:29 -0500 Message-ID: <4547D66B.3010505@us.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:15:00 -0000 From: Vara Prasad User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" CC: Badari Pulavarty , systemtap@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: Anyone tried SystemTap with the latest RHEL5 Beta refresh References: <9AE298E00BCF7B469C04BE82FCE78B8701C74AAD@scsmsx414.amr.corp.intel.com> <1161980695.31009.17.camel@dyn9047017100.beaverton.ibm.com> <45464423.4070709@us.ibm.com> <20061030183343.GQ4978@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20061030183343.GQ4978@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact systemtap-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: systemtap-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2006-q4/txt/msg00300.txt.bz2 Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: >Hi - > >On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:27:47AM -0800, Vara Prasad wrote: > > > >>[...] Badari is playing the role of a customer. His point of view >>is, i have stock RHEL 5 setup, i have not made any changes to the >>setup and trying to use systemtap and i expect it to have all the >>pieces needed [...] >> >> > >Unfortunately, other customers prefer that systemtap's loose >dependencies (particularly, the kernel-debuginfo) not be installed by >default, even if they choose an "install everything" option at the >anaconda screens. Can you think of a way of satisfying both groups? > >- FChE > > O.k, before i think of a way to satisfy both the needs i need to understand the objection of the other group. The objection of other customers to not to install debuginfo package is it because of wasted disk space due to large size of debuginfo package or time to install or something else. I am assuming kernel debuginfo is considered a dependency for SystemTap, am i right. What is the point of installing a package that doesn't work due to lack of dependencies? In other words are we not breaking the semantics or meaning of full package install if we don't install required dependencies when the customer chooses a package to install. bye, Vara Prasad