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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	        "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	        LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	        systemtap-ml <systemtap@sources.redhat.com>,
	        Hideo AOKI <haoki@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Tracepoint proposal
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:06:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48606553.8070503@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080622171135.GA19432@Krystal>

Hi Mathieu,

Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I've tried to read through the comments recently posted to this thread
> (sorry I don't have time to answer them all specifically right now, a
> lot of this makes a lot of sense). I've tried to come up with a
> proposal, let's name it "tracepoint", which should hopefully address the
> full scope of the problem. Please tell me if it makes sense. It should
> allow compile-time verification of dynamically linked-in and activated
> tracepoints. I'll work on an implementation ASAP.
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> Tracepoint proposal
> 
> - Tracepoint infrastructure
>   - In-kernel users
>   - Complete typing, verified by the compiler
>   - Dynamically linked and activated
> 
> - Marker infrastructure
>   - Exported API to userland
>   - Basic types only
> 
> - Dynamic vs static
>   - In-kernel probes are dynamically linked, dynamically activated, connected to
>     tracepoints. Type verification is done at compile-time. Those in-kernel
>     probes can be a probe extracting the information to put in a marker or a
>     specific in-kernel tracer such as ftrace.
>   - Information sinks (LTTng, SystemTAP) are dynamically connected to the
>     markers inserted in the probes and are dynamically activated.
> 
> - Near instrumentation site vs in a separate tracer module
> 
> A probe module, only if provided with the kernel tree, could connect to internal
> tracing sites. This argues for keeping the tracepoing probes near the
> instrumentation site code. However, if a tracer is general purpose and exports
> typing information to userspace through some mechanism, it should only export
> the "basic type" information and could be therefore shipped outside of the
> kernel tree.
> 
> In-kernel probes should be integrated to the kernel tree. They would be close to
> the instrumented kernel code and would translate between the in-kernel
> instrumentation and the "basic type" exports. Other in-kernel probes could
> provide a different output (statistics available through debugfs for instance).
> ftrace falls into this category.
> 
> Generic or specialized information "sinks" (LTTng, systemtap) could be connected
> to the markers put in tracepoint probes to extract the information to userspace.
> They would extract both typing information and the per-tracepoint execution
> information to userspace.

Your idea is good to me. I just worry about complexity.
if both tracepoint and marker add information to other sections,
both two functions cover each partially. Anyway, it depends
on implementation.:-)

> Therefore, the code would look like :
> 
> kernel/sched.c:
> 
> #include "sched-trace.h"
> 
> schedule()
> {
>   ...
>   trace_sched_switch(prev, next);
>   ...
> }
> 
> 
> kernel/sched-trace.h:
> 
> DEFINE_TRACE(sched_switch, struct task_struct *prev, struct task_struct *next);
> 
> 
> kernel/sched-trace.c:
> 
> #include "sched-trace.h"
> 
> static probe_sched_switch(struct task_struct *prev, struct task_struct
>   *next)
> {
>   trace_mark(kernel_sched_switch, "prev_pid %d next_pid %d prev_state %ld",
>     prev->pid, next->pid, prev->state);
> }
> 
> int __init init(void)
> {
>   return register_sched_switch(probe_sched_switch);
> }
> 
> void __exit exit(void)
> {
>   unregister_sched_switch(probe_sched_switch);
> }
> 
> 
> Where DEFINE_TRACE internals declare a structure, a trace_* inline function,
> a register_trace_* and unregister_trace_* inline functions :

Hmm, if so, DEFINE_TRACE() still needs next and prev.:-)

Thank you,

-- 
Masami Hiramatsu

Software Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.
Software Solutions Division

e-mail: mhiramat@redhat.com


      parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-24  3:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-20 19:36 [RFC][Patch 2/2] markers: example of irq regular kernel markers Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-20 22:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-20 23:23   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-21 15:08     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-06-21 18:04       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-06-21 19:41         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-22  4:03           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-06-22  4:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-22 17:12               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-23  2:20                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-23  7:08                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-06-22 18:03             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-22 18:27       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-21 10:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23  3:06     ` [RFC] Tracepoint proposal Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-23  6:34       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-06-23  6:51         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-24  7:15           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-06-24 11:39             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-24 13:23               ` Takashi Nishiie
2008-06-24 16:23                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-24 19:43                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-25  1:08                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-06-25  1:36                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-25  1:49                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-26 16:20                       ` [RFC PATCH] Tracepoint sched probes Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-26 17:01                       ` [RFC PATCH] Kernel Tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-27 13:21                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-27 15:00                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-29 18:46                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-30 18:21                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-27 15:07                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-30 20:11                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-27 15:48                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-28  0:05                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-30 17:14                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-30 20:17                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-03 15:13                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 18:53                                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-27 16:11                           ` [RFC PATCH] Kernel Tracepoints (update) Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 15:29                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-03 15:47                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 18:19                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 18:48                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-24 11:06       ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]

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