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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	        Takashi Nishiie <t-nishiie@np.css.fujitsu.com>,
	        "'Alexey Dobriyan'" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	        "'Peter Zijlstra'" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	        "'Steven Rostedt'" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	        "'Frank Ch. Eigler'" <fche@redhat.com>,
	        "'Ingo Molnar'" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	        "'LKML'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	        "'systemtap-ml'" <systemtap@sources.redhat.com>,
	        "'Hideo AOKI'" <haoki@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Kernel Tracepoints
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:17:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48693AFB.1020304@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080630154002.GE17388@Krystal>

Hi Mathieu,

Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * Masami Hiramatsu (mhiramat@redhat.com) wrote:
>> Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>> * Masami Hiramatsu (mhiramat@redhat.com) wrote:
>>>  >
>>>>> Implementation of kernel tracepoints. Inspired from the Linux Kernel Markers.
>>>> What would you think redesigning markers on tracepoints? because most of the
>>>> logic (scaning sections, multiple probe and activation) seems very similar
>>>> to markers.
>>>>
>>> We could, although markers, because they use var args, allow to put the
>>> iteration on the multi probe array out-of-line. Tracepoints cannot
>>> afford this and the iteration must be done at the initial call-site.
>>>
>>> From what I see in your proposal, it's mostly to extract the if() call()
>>> code from the inner __trace_mark() macro and to put it in a separate
>>> macro, am I correct ? This would make the macro more readable.
>> Sure, I think marker and tracepoint can share below functions;
>> - definition of static local variables in specific sections
> 
> Given that we could want to keep activation of tracepoints and markers
> separate (so they don't share the same namespace), declaring the static
> variables in separated sections seems to make sense to me.

Sorry, I'm not sure what is "separate activation".
As far as I can see, both tracepoints and markers are activated
when its probe handlers are registered on each tracepoint/marker.
Aren't it separated?

I did not mean integrating registering interfaces, but
I think that they can share base(internal) functions.
for example, both of them has XXX_update_range/_module_XXX_update etc.

IMHO, current code is not so good for maintenance. there are
many code duplications (ex. kernel/module.c, I think
that both of them (and imv too?) can share the code for
handling its section and iterating entries). I'm not sure those
duplications are acceptable.

>> - probe activation code (if() call())
>> - multi probe handling
> 
> Hrm, the thing here is that because markers allow to do the iteration on
> the multiple probe callbacks within an internal wrapper (instead of
> doing it on-site as in the tracepoints), it allows to do some further
> optimizations (less memory allocation and less pointer dereference in
> the single probe case, not having to prepare the va_args in the
> MARK_NOARGS case) which are only done because it does not have to add
> code to the instrumentation site. However, tracepoints cannot have such
> "generic" wrapper and we have to do the iteration on callbacks in the
> code added to the instrumented object. Therefore, I keep it as small as
> possible in terms of bytes of instructions.

OK, I see. So, __tracepoint_block() macro can specify handler function.
what would you think about it?

Thank you,

-- 
Masami Hiramatsu

Software Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.
Software Solutions Division

e-mail: mhiramat@redhat.com

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-30 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-20 19:36 [RFC][Patch 2/2] markers: example of irq regular kernel markers Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-20 22:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-20 23:23   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-21 15:08     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-06-21 18:04       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-06-21 19:41         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-22  4:03           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-06-22  4:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-22 17:12               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-23  2:20                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-23  7:08                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-06-22 18:03             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-22 18:27       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-21 10:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23  3:06     ` [RFC] Tracepoint proposal Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-23  6:34       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-06-23  6:51         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-24  7:15           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-06-24 11:39             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-24 13:23               ` Takashi Nishiie
2008-06-24 16:23                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-06-24 19:43                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-25  1:08                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-06-25  1:36                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-25  1:49                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-26 16:20                       ` [RFC PATCH] Tracepoint sched probes Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-26 17:01                       ` [RFC PATCH] Kernel Tracepoints Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-27 13:21                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-27 15:00                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-29 18:46                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-30 18:21                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-27 15:07                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-30 20:11                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-27 15:48                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-28  0:05                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-30 17:14                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-06-30 20:17                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2008-07-03 15:13                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 18:53                                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-27 16:11                           ` [RFC PATCH] Kernel Tracepoints (update) Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 15:29                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-03 15:47                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 18:19                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-07-03 18:48                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-06-24 11:06       ` [RFC] Tracepoint proposal Masami Hiramatsu

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