* Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
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@ 2003-11-14 1:54 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-14 2:38 ` Jim Kingdon
2003-11-14 12:06 ` Peter Garrone
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From: Eric McDonald @ 2003-11-14 1:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bboett; +Cc: xconq7
Hi Bruno,
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Bruno Boettcher wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 06:07:00PM -0500, Eric McDonald wrote:
> > I will update the Windows installer and the RPM packages after I
> > get out of work, so that those who do not use CVS can enjoy the
> > fruits of Peter's efforts.
> :D please drop also a word to the debian mantainer :D
Is there a Debian maintainer for Xconq?
I didn't think there was one. (Even though I did notice that
Debian people have packaged Xconq in the past; they also had a few Xconq
related bug reports or feature requests.... When I implemented the
X11 app-defaults directory choice in the Xconq config script, I
got the idea from reading their archives....)
Anyway, I was planning on installing Debian on one of my systems
at some point. (It has been about 4 years since I last used Debian.)
I know there are converters that can go from RPM's to
Debs, but I want to properly build a Debian package on a native
Debian system. Because this was my interest, I actually went to
their Web site about a month ago and researched how to build a deb
file.
I know that at least two of the people on this list (or who
used to be on this list) run Debian systems, and if either of them
(or any other Debian user) was to step forward and offer to
maintain Debian packages, we could address this sooner rather
than later. (And it would make my life easier. This whole Xconq
thing is supposed to be a hobby, not a chore, at least for me
anyway. :)
On another note, there is actually quite a bit more that needs to
be done with the RPM's that I provide. Currently, they cannot make
it into the Mandrake or Redhat distros because they do not contain
all of the special little things that are expected. (I
researched the Mandrake guidelines last weekend.) If I was to
upload the existing Xconq RPM's into either the Mandrake or Redhat
contrib directories, the RPM's would be rejected from being part
of the next release of either distro. (Even though they probably
successfully run and install on a vast majority of the RPM-using
systems out there. Or, at least the source package anyway.)
So what is my point? Well, I am semi-willing to maintain packages
for all these different platforms, but if others wish to help,
please be my guest. Furthermore, I will need to "re-architect"
one of my systems to accomodate Redhat and Debian, since all I am
running is Mandrake currently. I've been contemplating the
purchase of a VMware license (I've used their stuff before, and it
works fine), in which case I will run a Linux host (probably
Mandrake again) and then have Redhat, Debian GNU/Linux,
and Windows (probably XP, though I also have licenses for 95
and NT as well) run inside of VM's. When I originally set up my
systems, I didn't have Xconq in mind....
So other package maintainers are welcome. If a package isn't being
maintained right now, then you might have to wait awhile before I
am ready to maintain it. (And, no, I don't have any plans to
maintain Xconq for QNX....)
Regards,
Eric
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-14 1:54 ` Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel) Eric McDonald
@ 2003-11-14 2:38 ` Jim Kingdon
2003-11-14 12:06 ` Peter Garrone
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From: Jim Kingdon @ 2003-11-14 2:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mcdonald; +Cc: xconq7
> Is there a Debian maintainer for Xconq?
> I didn't think there was one.
Well, someone must have packaged it. They even included some fixes to
security holes (some of which we now have ourselves as well, now that
we have the snprintf machinery).
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=80576&repeatmerged=yes
Whether whoever did that has any plans to do anything with xconq
packaging in the future, I don't know.
> I know that at least two of the people on this list (or who used to be
> on this list) run Debian systems, and if either of them (or any other
> Debian user) was to step forward and offer to maintain Debian packages
That's half of it. The other half is becoming a Debian developer, so
the packages actually can go into Debian the way the current xconq
7.4.1 package is.
Anyway, what's my point? Mostly just that I endorse the idea of
someone other than Eric working on these packages (and likewise for
Fedora/Red Hat and Mandrake and whatever too), if someone has the
interest/skills. Not that endorsements count as much as actual effort
and results :-).
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-14 1:54 ` Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel) Eric McDonald
2003-11-14 2:38 ` Jim Kingdon
@ 2003-11-14 12:06 ` Peter Garrone
2003-11-14 16:51 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-15 22:48 ` Eric McDonald
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From: Peter Garrone @ 2003-11-14 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric McDonald; +Cc: xconq7
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:38:53PM -0500, Eric McDonald wrote:
>
> Hi Bruno,
>
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Bruno Boettcher wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 06:07:00PM -0500, Eric McDonald wrote:
> > > I will update the Windows installer and the RPM packages after I
> > > get out of work, so that those who do not use CVS can enjoy the
> > > fruits of Peter's efforts.
>
> > :D please drop also a word to the debian mantainer :D
>
> Is there a Debian maintainer for Xconq?
<snip>
>
> So other package maintainers are welcome. If a package isn't being
> maintained right now, then you might have to wait awhile before I
> am ready to maintain it. (And, no, I don't have any plans to
> maintain Xconq for QNX....)
>
> Regards,
> Eric
Eric,
Configuration/compilation on debian now works fine for me,
(though I cant see the beautiful new help system, I will be
investigating further.) I imagine you are fishing for an offer from me
here, and if no one else wants to do it I would, though I am probably
not the best person as I am not always reachable during hang-gliding
season. Also I have never maintained a debian package.
Peter
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-14 12:06 ` Peter Garrone
@ 2003-11-14 16:51 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-15 22:48 ` Eric McDonald
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From: Eric McDonald @ 2003-11-14 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Garrone; +Cc: xconq7
Hi Peter et al.,
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Peter Garrone wrote:
> Configuration/compilation on debian now works fine for me,
Great. Thanks for passing along useful info so that I could fix
it.
> investigating further.) I imagine you are fishing for an offer from me
> here,
You were foremost in my mind when I made the comments. But there
is absolutely zero pressure from me wrt becoming the Debian
maintainer. I think that I am going to first email the guy who
supposedly did the old Debian package (Timo Benk[h]e?) and see if
he is still interested. If not, then we can go from there....
> and if no one else wants to do it I would, though I am probably
> not the best person as I am not always reachable during hang-gliding
> season. Also I have never maintained a debian package.
Well prior to my work with xconq.spec, I had never created a RPM
(except a binary RPM from a source RPM, but that doesn't really
count). Like most things I do with Xconq, I did it because I felt
like it: I wanted to do something new and learn from it. I would
only encourage you to become a maintainer if you felt the same
way. As far as frequency is concerned, I don't think you are
under any obligation (if you were to become a maintainer) to
regularly release anything; I certainly don't feel obligated to
make regular releases; I just do them when I think enough changes
have accrued or something important has happened with Xconq. So I
regard it only as a minor chore. I just don't want to get too many
minor chores. :-)
To use Jim's terminology, I would "endorse" you, but there is no
pressure on you.
Hang-gliding? Sounds like fun. Where I now live, people primarily
fly glider planes (nice drafts come off the Rocky Mountains). I am
probably going to try some gliding once I get more settled in,
though I imagine hang-gliding is much more exhilarating and has
rather different dynamics....
Regards,
Eric
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-14 12:06 ` Peter Garrone
2003-11-14 16:51 ` Eric McDonald
@ 2003-11-15 22:48 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-15 23:06 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
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From: Eric McDonald @ 2003-11-15 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Garrone; +Cc: xconq7
Hi Peter, all,
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Peter Garrone wrote:
> investigating further.) I imagine you are fishing for an offer from me
> here, and if no one else wants to do it I would, though I am probably
Actually, I exchanged email with Timo Benk earlier today, and he
said that he was still interested in being the maintainer for the
Debian package. I mentioned to him about packaging CVS snapshots,
but I haven't heard back in that regard. He did ask me to drop him
a note when 7.5 comes out, and he'll package that up.
So we may be all set wrt Debian GNU/Linux.
Now we just need to find maintainers for Slackware (if anyone uses
that anymore), and members of the free BSD family (NetBSD,
FreeBSD, OpenBSD). Of course, if someone wants to maintain a
Redhat-specific RPM, then go for it. I will hopefully be coming
along with a Mandrake-specific RPM sometime in the next few weeks.
I know Xconq has at least one Slowaris user. I wonder about
HPukes, AI-ick, Tru64, or Irix....
Regards,
Eric
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-15 22:48 ` Eric McDonald
@ 2003-11-15 23:06 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
2003-11-15 23:27 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-16 20:33 ` Peter Garrone
2003-11-17 0:25 ` Eric McDonald
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From: Skeezics Boondoggle @ 2003-11-15 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric McDonald; +Cc: xconq7
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Eric McDonald wrote:
> I know Xconq has at least one Slowaris user. I wonder about
<raises hand>
I guess that's me? Should I drink a few too many beers and demand that
any other closeted Solaris users reveal themselves? :-]
Of course, I use RPM to build open source stuff on Solaris, instead of the
native packaging tools... I *hate* the stupid /opt thing, and install in
/usr/local/* instead. I suppose if there were more than one person
interested in a Solaris build I could create a relocatable package and
offer that.
Oh! And remember I'd reported a strange crash a while back that I just
couldn't figure out? I deleted my .xconq/prefs.xcq and haven't had a
problem since. Hmmm.
Here's the bogus one:
((default-myname "John Doe") (default-joinport "3075") (default-joinhost
"localhost") (checkpoint-interval 10) (default-font-size 10)
(default-font-family "helvetica") (default-draw-transitions 1)
(default-draw-terrain-patterns 0) (default-draw-terrain-images 1)
(default-draw-ai 0) (default-meridian-interval 600)
(default-draw-meridians 0) (default-draw-feature-boundaries 0)
(default-draw-feature-names 0) (default-draw-unit-names 0)
(default-draw-clouds 0) (default-draw-winds 0) (default-draw-temperature
0) (default-draw-control 0) (default-draw-people 0) (default-draw-lighting
0) (default-draw-elevations 0) (default-draw-coverage 1)
(default-draw-grid 1) (default-power 5))
For whatever reason, using xconq with those prefs will cause it to crash
after 11 turns or so. "Doctor, it hurts when I go like THIS!" Yeah, so I
deleted that and things run great.
I look forward to doing another CVS snapshot build when things settle out
a bit. If another Solaris user chimes in with an interest in a pre-built
package once the eagerly anticipated 7.5.0 release is ready, I volunteer
to maintain it.
-- Chris
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-15 23:06 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
@ 2003-11-15 23:27 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-15 23:37 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
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From: Eric McDonald @ 2003-11-15 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Skeezics Boondoggle; +Cc: xconq7
Hi Chris ("Skeezics"),
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> <raises hand>
>
> I guess that's me?
Yep. You're who I had in mind.
>Should I drink a few too many beers and demand that
> any other closeted Solaris users reveal themselves? :-]
;-)
> Of course, I use RPM to build open source stuff on Solaris, instead of the
IIRC, you also mentioned things about not liking some of the
datadir, etc... choices in the makefile templates. I changed some
of that a while back ago; happier now?
> native packaging tools... I *hate* the stupid /opt thing,
You too? :-)
> interested in a Solaris build I could create a relocatable package and
> offer that.
That would be cool.
> Oh! And remember I'd reported a strange crash a while back that I just
> couldn't figure out?
I would have to plumb the archives for that one, because I don't
remember....
>I deleted my .xconq/prefs.xcq and haven't had a
> problem since. Hmmm.
> Here's the bogus one:
I'll take a look if I get a chance. Maybe Hans or someone else
will immediately see what the problem was....
> I look forward to doing another CVS snapshot build when things settle out
> a bit. If another Solaris user chimes in with an interest in a pre-built
> package once the eagerly anticipated 7.5.0 release is ready, I volunteer
> to maintain it.
Thanks!
Regards,
Eric
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-15 23:27 ` Eric McDonald
@ 2003-11-15 23:37 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
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From: Skeezics Boondoggle @ 2003-11-15 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric McDonald; +Cc: xconq7
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Eric McDonald wrote:
> Hi Chris ("Skeezics"),
There's a long story behind that pseudonym. But anyway...
> IIRC, you also mentioned things about not liking some of the
> datadir, etc... choices in the makefile templates. I changed some
> of that a while back ago; happier now?
Like the team of intrepid Xconq developers, I've been insanely busy at
work and life and other things, but I do actively lurk on the list and try
to keep up with changes. I saw that those patches get posted but haven't
tried them out - I'll do that as soon as I get a chance. Thanks!
> > native packaging tools... I *hate* the stupid /opt thing,
>
> You too? :-)
Yeah, I guess there were some old SunOS4/BSDisms that I just couldn't give
up. Took me a long time before Solaris didn't make me feel like bashing
my head on things all the time. But I still stubbornly resist /opt at
every turn. :-]
> > Here's the bogus one:
>
> I'll take a look if I get a chance. Maybe Hans or someone else
> will immediately see what the problem was....
Not a big priority, obviously, unless it's an easy thing to fix. Right
now I just tear off the View menu, click on the four options I generally
set, then get into the game. It'd be nice to have those things saved in
prefs.xcq, but it's really not a big deal now that I've figured out what
was causing the crashes. I do find it very strange, though, that the game
would go for several turns before crashing, though. I'm hoping this isn't
one of those things that looks so seemingly innocuous and turns out to
have nasty, horrible repercussions. :-)
I'm much more interested in some of the latest changes building toward the
new release. The improved path-finding code and some other recent fixes
sound like they'll make the basic games a bit more challenging, and while
I like being 124 and 0 against the AIs it would be interesting actually
lose a game, once. To see what that's like. :-)
Cheers,
-- Chris
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-15 22:48 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-15 23:06 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
@ 2003-11-16 20:33 ` Peter Garrone
2003-11-17 0:25 ` Eric McDonald
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From: Peter Garrone @ 2003-11-16 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eric McDonald; +Cc: xconq7
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:34:10PM -0500, Eric McDonald wrote:
> Hi Peter, all,
>
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Peter Garrone wrote:
>
> > investigating further.) I imagine you are fishing for an offer from me
> > here, and if no one else wants to do it I would, though I am probably
>
> Actually, I exchanged email with Timo Benk earlier today, and he
> said that he was still interested in being the maintainer for the
> Debian package. I mentioned to him about packaging CVS snapshots,
> but I haven't heard back in that regard. He did ask me to drop him
> a note when 7.5 comes out, and he'll package that up.
Thats fine with me. I dont think its quite ready just yet anyway.
Peter
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* Re: Xconq Packaging (was Re: Major improvement to the Xconq kernel)
2003-11-15 22:48 ` Eric McDonald
2003-11-15 23:06 ` Skeezics Boondoggle
2003-11-16 20:33 ` Peter Garrone
@ 2003-11-17 0:25 ` Eric McDonald
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From: Eric McDonald @ 2003-11-17 0:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Garrone; +Cc: xconq7
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Eric McDonald wrote:
> Actually, I exchanged email with Timo Benk earlier today, and he
> said that he was still interested in being the maintainer for the
> Debian package. I mentioned to him about packaging CVS snapshots,
> but I haven't heard back in that regard. He did ask me to drop him
> a note when 7.5 comes out, and he'll package that up.
Timo emailed me awhile ago and said that he would be willing to do
CVS snapshots too. Though not anytime soon....
So if he follows through, then I think we have a Debian
maintainer.
Eric
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