From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8108 invoked by alias); 21 Nov 2003 01:46:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact xconq7-help@sources.redhat.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: xconq7-owner@sources.redhat.com Received: (qmail 8101 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 01:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO outbound28-2.lax.untd.com) (64.136.28.160) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 01:46:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 24078 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2003 01:46:05 -0000 Received: from 66-52-246-40.sttl.dial.netzero.com (HELO vangogh) (66.52.246.40) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2003 01:46:05 -0000 From: "Brandon J. Van Every" To: "xconq" Subject: altruistic VS 2003 Solution files Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:59:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-SW-Source: 2003/txt/msg00878.txt.bz2 Eric McDonald wrote: > > When I suggested that _you_ could > contribute your VS project, you became rather defensive, thinking > that I somehow doubted your efforts. No, I went through a triage of why you would possibly bother to phrase your question as you did. I eneumerated the possibilities: - you didn't believe I had created VS 2003 Solution files - you didn't approve of VS 2003 Solution files - you were worried that I might have done them badly All 3 ended up with the same result: why bother to ask the question as you did? The proper question would have beem more like, "Could you please .ZIP up your VS 2003 files so we can stick 'em into the source pool?" Or, "are they ready for the source pool yet?" And I answered that: no, they're only 95% complete. > It would be nice if you would > understand that, within the open source community, there is a kind > of "altruism", that if you accomplish something positive then you > share it with others. Which has nothing to do with the question you asked. I had already built the VS 2003 Solution files. My altruism is not at issue; you may want to make it an issue, but it is misguided of you to do so. It's like, you never really got the idea that amidst all the screaming and gnashing of teeth, and us getting on each other's nerves, that I was actually building things for Xconq. I think that's because you were tuning out my various status messages like "I've got the Tk client built now," "Hey! I've got the SDL client built now." Why did you think I wrote those things, to lie to you and say "4A! 4A! Read it and w33p loz3rz, I'm not giving you didly doo!" ?? Sometimes I think you are used to working with a very low class of people in hack3rz forums, because you seem to have these paranoid ideas about what my motives are, when I'm always pretty blunt and clear about my motives. Anyways, you need to accept that there's altruism, then there's difference of personal style, and finally there's unviability. I am only interested in the intersection of our common agendas. I'm not here to just give freely, I give because there are things I want to get in return. For instance, migrating a C codebase and getting lotsa happy novice Python programmers / game designers jammin' on Xconq is of direct career benefit to me. If successful, not only would I enhance my stature as an Indie Game Designer / Programmer, but I can consult that skill for big bucks. The technical term for that is a Win-Win Situation. Of course that's a best case, and I'm a gambler. If I embed Python and nobody uses it because of developer climate and people's energies, at least I will know some things about how efforts fail. Other issues you raised are sold separately. :-) Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA 20% of the world is real. 80% is gobbledygook we make up inside our own heads.