From: liuzhensong <liuzhensong@loongson.cn>
To: Fangrui Song <maskray@google.com>, WANG Xuerui <i.swmail@xen0n.name>
Cc: Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>,
binutils@sourceware.org, xuchenghua@loongson.cn,
mengqinggang@loongson.cn
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5 v1] LoongArch: bfd: Add new reloc types.
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 15:47:33 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0fbc1017-269d-aa8c-7b1c-7bdd8abb3308@loongson.cn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220719035758.lshojc63snxcq6g2@google.com>
在 2022/7/19 上午11:57, Fangrui Song 写道:
> On 2022-07-18, WANG Xuerui wrote:
>> On 2022/7/18 19:33, Xi Ruoyao wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2022-07-18 at 18:06 +0800, WANG Xuerui wrote:
>>>> (Adding Ruoyao and MaskRay to CC, who might be interested in this
>>>> development as well, as it concerns the linker implementation.)
>>> I've already subscribed binutils@sourceware.org in order not to be
>>> passed by.
>
> I am subscribed, too. Direct CC helps me find the discussions:)
>
>>>> I think I've voiced my concerns over the naming of these ops multiple
>>>> times already; the primary comment ([1]; in English) was posted
>>>> back in
>>>> May but no one in your team responded.
>>>>
>>>> Reproducing the content (and adjusting a little) here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overall in a good direction (and IMHO the direction everyone should
>>>> have
>>>> taken in the first place), thanks!
>>>>
>>> Yes, we've been paying additional costs using those "stack based
>>> relocation". I'd like to know why they were proposed in first place?
>>> (Not accusing anyone, just my curiosity: AFAIK no other targets ever
>>> used such a stack for relocation.)
>> As previously pointed out on this list, rx and rl78 both use
>> stack-based relocs. (Both come from Renesas, so I do think it's
>> delibrate design decision, but of course the original Renesas
>> justification is most probably buried in history.) I explained this
>> in https://github.com/loongson/binutils-gdb/issues/134 before.
>
> Stack machines aren't really suitable for ELF relocations.
> Each relocation takes sizeof(Elf64_Rela) = 24 byte, higher than older
> object file formats.
>
> ELF32 allows 256 relocation types. There aren't too many to waste.
>
>>>
>>> /* snip */
>>>
>>>
>>>> FYI, I did make a list of my suggested names for these reloc types
>>>> ("BFD_RELOC_LARCH_" abbreviated to "B_R_L_"):
>>>>
>>>> Original name Suggested name
>>>> ------------- --------------
>>>> B_R_L_B16 B_R_L_PCREL_SK16 *1
>>>> B_R_L_B21 B_R_L_PCREL_SD5K16
>>>> B_R_L_B26 B_R_L_PCREL_SD10K16
>>>> B_R_L_ABS_LO12 B_R_L_ABS_0_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_ABS_HI20 B_R_L_ABS_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_ABS64_LO20 B_R_L_ABS_32_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_ABS64_HI12 B_R_L_ABS_52_SK12
>
> aarch64 calls these G0/G1/G2/G3 while ppc calls these
> LO/HI/HIGHER/HIGHEST.
> A name mentioning the offset and the length looks good to me, too.
> A too-long name may have problems in the default (non-wide) output of
> readelf -r.
>
>>>> B_R_L_PCALA_LO12 B_R_L_PCALA_0_SK12 *2
>>>> B_R_L_PCALA_HI20 B_R_L_PCALA_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_PCALA64_LO20 B_R_L_PCALA_32_SJ20 *3
>>>> B_R_L_PCALA64_HI12 B_R_L_PCALA_52_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_GOT_PC_LO12 B_R_L_GOT_PCALA_0_SK12 *4
>>>> B_R_L_GOT_PC_HI20 B_R_L_GOT_PCALA_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_GOT64_PC_LO20 B_R_L_GOT_PCALA_32_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_GOT64_PC_HI12 B_R_L_GOT_PCALA_52_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_GOT64_LO12 B_R_L_GOT_ABS_0_SK12 *5
>>>> B_R_L_GOT64_HI20 B_R_L_GOT_ABS_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_GOT64_LO20 B_R_L_GOT_ABS_32_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_GOT64_HI12 B_R_L_GOT_ABS_52_SK12
>
>
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_LE_LO12 B_R_L_TLS_LE_ABS_0_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_LE_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_LE_ABS_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_LE64_LO20 B_R_L_TLS_LE_ABS_32_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_LE64_HI12 B_R_L_TLS_LE_ABS_52_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE_PC_LO12 B_R_L_TLS_IE_PCALA_0_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE_PC_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_IE_PCALA_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE64_PC_LO20 B_R_L_TLS_IE_PCALA_32_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE64_PC_HI12 B_R_L_TLS_IE_PCALA_52_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE64_LO12 B_R_L_TLS_IE_ABS_0_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE64_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_IE_ABS_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE64_LO20 B_R_L_TLS_IE_ABS_32_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_IE64_HI12 B_R_L_TLS_IE_ABS_52_SK12
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_LD_PC_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_LD_PCALA_12_SJ20 *6
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_LD64_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_LD_ABS_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_GD_PC_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_GD_PCALA_12_SJ20
>>>> B_R_L_TLS_GD64_HI20 B_R_L_TLS_GD_ABS_12_SJ20
>
> aarch64 relocation types are well named. It's obvious what suppress
> overflow checking.
>
> For LO12, I expect that there are two variants: one with overflow check,
> the other without.
>
In what scenarios will no check overflow be used? Any documentation or
examples?
>>> It's overall better, but those "J, K" etc are cryptic IMHO. And for
>>> "B_R_L_B16" I think "B_R_L_PCREL_SK16" fails to express that the offset
>>> should be shifted right by 2, so I'd keep B_R_L_B16 (and similarly,
>>> B_R_L_B21 and B_R_L_B26) like the PCALA case.
>>>
>> The slot names come from
>> https://github.com/loongson/LoongArch-Documentation/pull/56 (to
>> non-Chinese speakers: English translation still TODO, but hopefully
>> at least the ABNF and the few tables should be intelligible even
>> without translation).
>>
>> As for the PCREL and implicit shifts, maybe a planned extension of
>> the slot syntax could help. I plan to submit an Assembly Language
>> Convention after the Instruction Format Convention gets reviewed and
>> merged, and with this new convention such an extension is necessary
>> anyway for accommodating the current assembly syntax as described by
>> the ISA manual, able to express the <<2's and +1's for the
>> PC-manipulating and ALSL insns.
>>
>> For example, let's say the extension works like this: ordinary slot
>> syntax, plus "p", plus an postprocess operator, with "s\d+" for "imm
>> slot = assembly operand >> N", and "p\d+" for "imm slot = assembly
>> operand + N". Then we could say "B_R_L_PCREL_SK16PS2" and have all
>> the niceties. (In an ideal world, the LoongArch opcodes
>> implementation should be modified to use this convention too, so for
>> example it will be something like "DJSk16ps2" for JIRL, "JDSk16ps2"
>> for BLT (notice the reversed operand order) and "DJKUa2pp1" for ALSL
>> insns.
>>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-20 7:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-18 8:43 liuzhensong
2022-07-18 8:43 ` [PATCH 2/5 v1] LoongArch:opcodes: " liuzhensong
2022-07-18 8:43 ` [PATCH 3/5 v1] LoongArch: gas: " liuzhensong
2022-07-18 8:43 ` [PATCH 4/5 v1] LoongArch: Move ifunc info to rela.dyn from rela.plt liuzhensong
2022-07-18 11:45 ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-07-18 16:27 ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-07-19 7:26 ` liuzhensong
2022-07-18 8:43 ` [PATCH 5/5 v1] LoongArch: Delete R_LARCH_NONE from dynamic info liuzhensong
2022-07-18 10:06 ` [PATCH 1/5 v1] LoongArch: bfd: Add new reloc types WANG Xuerui
2022-07-18 11:33 ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-07-18 12:11 ` WANG Xuerui
2022-07-18 12:18 ` WANG Xuerui
2022-07-19 3:57 ` Fangrui Song
2022-07-20 7:47 ` liuzhensong [this message]
2022-07-20 2:07 ` liuzhensong
2022-07-20 4:03 ` WANG Xuerui
2022-07-20 5:19 ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-07-20 12:54 ` liuzhensong
2022-07-19 7:32 ` liuzhensong
2022-07-20 2:42 ` liuzhensong
2022-07-19 4:29 ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-07-19 5:40 ` Xi Ruoyao
2022-07-19 6:31 ` 刘振松
2022-07-19 6:34 ` Xi Ruoyao
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