[attn maintainer] latex dependencies

[attn maintainer] latex dependencies

[Marco Atzeri]

Hi Ken,

it seems that both

    texlive-collection-latex
    texlive-collection-latexextra

depend on

   texlive-collection-latexrecommended

that seems to me contra intuitive. can you please check ?

$ cd /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex

$ grep -rH pdftexcmds.sty .
./generic/catchfile/catchfile.sty:  \input pdftexcmds.sty\relax
./generic/filemod/filemod-expmin.tex:   \input pdftexcmds.sty
./generic/oberdiek/iflang.sty:  \input pdftexcmds.sty\relax
...
./generic/stringenc/stringenc.sty:  \input pdftexcmds.sty\relax
./latex/hardwrap/hardwrap.sty:\IfFileExists{pdftexcmds.sty}{%
./latex/nlctdoc/nlctuserguide.sty:    % copied from pdftexcmds.sty

$ cygcheck -p pdftexcmds/pdftexcmds.sty
Found 3 matches for pdftexcmds/pdftexcmds.sty
...
texlive-collection-latexrecommended-20230313-1 - 
texlive-collection-latexrecommended: TeX Live latexrecommended package 
collection

$ cygcheck -p catchfile/catchfile.sty
Found 3 matches for catchfile/catchfile.sty
...
texlive-collection-latexextra-20230313-1 - 
texlive-collection-latexextra: TeX Live latexextra package collection


$ cygcheck -p stringenc/stringenc.sty
Found 3 matches for stringenc/stringenc.sty
...
texlive-collection-latex-20230313-1 - texlive-collection-latex: TeX Live 
latex package collection

$ cygcheck -p latex/hardwrap/hardwrap.sty
Found 3 matches for latex/hardwrap/hardwrap.sty
...
texlive-collection-latexextra-20230313-1 - 
texlive-collection-latexextra: TeX Live latexextra package collection

$ cygcheck -p nlctdoc/nlctuserguide.sty
Found 1 matches for nlctdoc/nlctuserguide.sty
texlive-collection-latexextra-20230313-1 - 
texlive-collection-latexextra: TeX Live latexextra package collection

Re: [attn maintainer] latex dependencies

[Ken Brown]

On 12/14/2023 4:22 AM, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> 
> it seems that both
> 
>     texlive-collection-latex
>     texlive-collection-latexextra
> 
> depend on
> 
>    texlive-collection-latexrecommended
> 
> that seems to me contra intuitive. can you please check ?

Hi Marco,

Do you have an example of a LaTeX file that uses packages only in 
texlive-collection-latex but fails to compile if 
texlive-collection-latexrecommended is not installed?  Without this, 
it's very hard for me to check if the occurrences of "pdftexcmds.sty" 
that you found really indicate dependencies.  My technical knowledge of 
LaTeX is not good enough to determine this just from looking at the .sty 
files.  See below for further comments on a few of the occurrences.

> $ cd /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex
> 
> $ grep -rH pdftexcmds.sty .
> ./generic/catchfile/catchfile.sty:  \input pdftexcmds.sty\relax

The previous line contains "IfFileExists", but I can't parse that line 
well enough to know if it prevents a problem.

> ./generic/filemod/filemod-expmin.tex:   \input pdftexcmds.sty
> ./generic/oberdiek/iflang.sty:  \input pdftexcmds.sty\relax

This is wrapped in an \if...\else that I can't parse.

> ./generic/stringenc/stringenc.sty:  \input pdftexcmds.sty\relax

The previous line contains "IfFileExists".

> ./latex/hardwrap/hardwrap.sty:\IfFileExists{pdftexcmds.sty}{%

Doesn't "IfFileExists" prevent a problem in this case?

> ./latex/nlctdoc/nlctuserguide.sty:    % copied from pdftexcmds.sty

"pdftexcmds.sty" occurs only in a comment.

Ken

Re: [attn maintainer] latex dependencies

[Marco Atzeri]

On 14/12/2023 16:50, Ken Brown via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> On 12/14/2023 4:22 AM, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> it seems that both
>>
>>     texlive-collection-latex
>>     texlive-collection-latexextra
>>
>> depend on
>>
>>    texlive-collection-latexrecommended
>>
>> that seems to me contra intuitive. can you please check ?
> 
> Hi Marco,
> 
> Do you have an example of a LaTeX file that uses packages only in 
> texlive-collection-latex but fails to compile if 
> texlive-collection-latexrecommended is not installed?  Without this, 
> it's very hard for me to check if the occurrences of "pdftexcmds.sty" 
> that you found really indicate dependencies.  My technical knowledge of 
> LaTeX is not good enough to determine this just from looking at the .sty 
> files.  See below for further comments on a few of the occurrences.
> 

the last gl2ps package had such issue

https://github.com/cygwin/scallywag/actions/runs/7204747329/job/19626758626

adding the texlive-collection-latexrecommended
as dependency, solved that issue

https://github.com/cygwin/scallywag/actions/runs/7206881393/job/19632744288

Re: [attn maintainer] latex dependencies

[Ken Brown]

On 12/14/2023 2:46 PM, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> On 14/12/2023 16:50, Ken Brown via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>> On 12/14/2023 4:22 AM, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>> it seems that both
>>>
>>>     texlive-collection-latex
>>>     texlive-collection-latexextra
>>>
>>> depend on
>>>
>>>    texlive-collection-latexrecommended
>>>
>>> that seems to me contra intuitive. can you please check ?
>>
>> Hi Marco,
>>
>> Do you have an example of a LaTeX file that uses packages only in 
>> texlive-collection-latex but fails to compile if 
>> texlive-collection-latexrecommended is not installed?  Without this, 
>> it's very hard for me to check if the occurrences of "pdftexcmds.sty" 
>> that you found really indicate dependencies.  My technical knowledge 
>> of LaTeX is not good enough to determine this just from looking at the 
>> .sty files.  See below for further comments on a few of the occurrences.
>>
> 
> the last gl2ps package had such issue
> 
> https://github.com/cygwin/scallywag/actions/runs/7204747329/job/19626758626
> 
> adding the texlive-collection-latexrecommended
> as dependency, solved that issue
> 
> https://github.com/cygwin/scallywag/actions/runs/7206881393/job/19632744288

Thanks.  The problem is that line 111 of 
/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty contains 
\RequirePackage{pdftexcmds}.  Since hyperref is in the latex collection, 
pdftexcmds should also be in that collection.  I'll report this upstream.

But there's no bug in the latexextra package.  The upstream latexextra 
collection does indeed depend on the latexrecommended collection, and 
this is reflected in the Cygwin packaging.  So this dependency is by 
design (and it makes intuitive sense to me).

Thanks for the report.

Ken

Re: [attn maintainer] latex dependencies

[Marco Atzeri]

On 14/12/2023 23:21, Ken Brown via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> On 12/14/2023 2:46 PM, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>> On 14/12/2023 16:50, Ken Brown via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2023 4:22 AM, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> it seems that both
>>>>
>>>>     texlive-collection-latex
>>>>     texlive-collection-latexextra
>>>>
>>>> depend on
>>>>
>>>>    texlive-collection-latexrecommended
>>>>
>>>> that seems to me contra intuitive. can you please check ?
>>>

> 
> Thanks.  The problem is that line 111 of 
> /usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/hyperref/hyperref.sty contains 
> \RequirePackage{pdftexcmds}.  Since hyperref is in the latex collection, 
> pdftexcmds should also be in that collection.  I'll report this upstream.
> 
> But there's no bug in the latexextra package.  The upstream latexextra 
> collection does indeed depend on the latexrecommended collection, and 
> this is reflected in the Cygwin packaging.  So this dependency is by 
> design (and it makes intuitive sense to me).
> 
> Thanks for the report.
> 
> Ken

Thanks for taking care

Regards
Marco