* attention alternatives maintainer
@ 2021-07-15 23:07 Doug Henderson
2021-07-16 1:56 ` Ken Brown
2021-07-16 5:18 ` ASSI
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From: Doug Henderson @ 2021-07-15 23:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cygwin Apps
Please update alternatives to work properly for a first time install
of an alternative when CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict.
See the recent thread on the cygwin mailing list with subject
Setup shows errors from gnuplot-base.dash and python38-devel.sh
In essence, when CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict., the first time it
runs, a postinstall script for a package that uses alternatives will
fail. Once it has succeeded once, it will subsequently run without
error.
In order to make it run I must set CYGWIN=winsymlinks:native, run the
postinstall script in an elevated shell (or from setup). Then I can
restore CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict. I think the link target must
be created before the symlink is created. Without looking at the code,
I suspect the order of two symlink needs to be reversed.
The basis for the problem is the difference between POSIX and Windows
symlinks.As I understand it, Windows symlinks need to :"know" if the
target is a file or directory, while the POSIX symlink does not
require the target to exist.
Thanks,
Doug
--
Doug Henderson, Calgary, Alberta, Canada - from gmail.com
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* Re: attention alternatives maintainer
2021-07-15 23:07 attention alternatives maintainer Doug Henderson
@ 2021-07-16 1:56 ` Ken Brown
2021-07-16 1:58 ` Ken Brown
2021-07-16 19:19 ` Doug Henderson
2021-07-16 5:18 ` ASSI
1 sibling, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ken Brown @ 2021-07-16 1:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-apps
On 7/15/2021 7:07 PM, Doug Henderson via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> Please update alternatives to work properly for a first time install
> of an alternative when CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict.
Cygwin doesn't have an alternatives maintainer. Would you like to volunteer?
If so, start at
https://cygwin.com/packages.html
and follow up on the cygwin-apps mailing list if you need help.
Ken
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* Re: attention alternatives maintainer
2021-07-16 1:56 ` Ken Brown
@ 2021-07-16 1:58 ` Ken Brown
2021-07-16 19:19 ` Doug Henderson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ken Brown @ 2021-07-16 1:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-apps
On 7/15/2021 9:56 PM, Ken Brown via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> On 7/15/2021 7:07 PM, Doug Henderson via Cygwin-apps wrote:
>> Please update alternatives to work properly for a first time install
>> of an alternative when CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict.
>
> Cygwin doesn't have an alternatives maintainer. Would you like to volunteer? If
> so, start at
>
> https://cygwin.com/packages.html
>
> and follow up on the cygwin-apps mailing list if you need help.
Sorry, I see you're already a package maintainer, so you know how to do it.
Ken
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* Re: attention alternatives maintainer
2021-07-15 23:07 attention alternatives maintainer Doug Henderson
2021-07-16 1:56 ` Ken Brown
@ 2021-07-16 5:18 ` ASSI
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: ASSI @ 2021-07-16 5:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-apps
Doug Henderson via Cygwin-apps writes:
> Please update alternatives to work properly for a first time install
> of an alternative when CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict.
I do not think of this as a bug in alternatives. POSIX programs that
create symlinks to non-existing files are perfectly valid and they don't
need to care whether they are pointing to files or directories either.
A dangling POSIX symlink resolves once its target comes into existence.
> In order to make it run I must set CYGWIN=winsymlinks:native, run the
> postinstall script in an elevated shell (or from setup). Then I can
> restore CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict. I think the link target must
> be created before the symlink is created. Without looking at the code,
> I suspect the order of two symlink needs to be reversed.
No, setup should ignore the CYGWIN settings. These are for the user,
not the installation. I wouldn't mind if there was an option to force
this behaviour so people wanting to experiment with it can do it, but
then they have to deal with the inevitable fallout themselves.
Regards,
Achim.
--
+<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+
SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1:
http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
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* Re: attention alternatives maintainer
2021-07-16 1:56 ` Ken Brown
2021-07-16 1:58 ` Ken Brown
@ 2021-07-16 19:19 ` Doug Henderson
2021-07-17 5:20 ` ASSI
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Doug Henderson @ 2021-07-16 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cygwin Apps
On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 19:56, Ken Brown via Cygwin-apps
<cygwin-apps@cygwin.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/15/2021 7:07 PM, Doug Henderson via Cygwin-apps wrote:
> > Please update alternatives to work properly for a first time install
> > of an alternative when CYGWIN=winsymlinks:nativestrict.
>
> Cygwin doesn't have an alternatives maintainer. Would you like to volunteer?
> If so, start at
>
> https://cygwin.com/packages.html
>
> and follow up on the cygwin-apps mailing list if you need help.
I will volunteer to be the alternatives maintainer. I may need some
help, though.
The package has not been released for over 10 years, for cygwin 1.7, I
think. The download location is worse than 404, it is "We can’t
connect to the server at www.fastcoder".
I found what appears to be a Fedora repository on GitHub that is in
active development.
https://github.com/fedora-sysv/chkconfig
I'm getting ready to have a first look at the code. I think the
packaging will be more of a problem than the code revisions.
Doug
--
Doug Henderson, Calgary, Alberta, Canada - from gmail.com
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* Re: attention alternatives maintainer
2021-07-16 19:19 ` Doug Henderson
@ 2021-07-17 5:20 ` ASSI
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: ASSI @ 2021-07-17 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin-apps
Doug Henderson via Cygwin-apps writes:
> I will volunteer to be the alternatives maintainer. I may need some
> help, though.
Appreciated.
> The package has not been released for over 10 years, for cygwin 1.7, I
> think. The download location is worse than 404, it is "We can’t
> connect to the server at www.fastcoder".
Yeah. Plus, searching for "alternatives" is one of those things that
just doesn't work.
> I found what appears to be a Fedora repository on GitHub that is in
> active development.
>
> https://github.com/fedora-sysv/chkconfig
>
> I'm getting ready to have a first look at the code. I think the
> packaging will be more of a problem than the code revisions.
openSUSE has switched to Debian's dpkg which includes
update-alternatives as a utility:
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE%3AFactory/update-alternatives
Regards,
Achim.
--
+<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+
Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld:
http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra
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