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* Re: General Inquiry
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@ 2006-08-04 15:53 ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 16:16   ` Dave Korn
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: mwoehlke @ 2006-08-04 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

Steve Doherty wrote nothing:
> 

Wow, that WAS a general inquiry! So general I have no idea where to 
start. :-)

-- 
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.

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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 15:53 ` General Inquiry mwoehlke
@ 2006-08-04 16:16   ` Dave Korn
  2006-08-04 19:28     ` mwoehlke
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-08-04 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'with acknowledgements to the late great ...'

On 04 August 2006 16:53, mwoehlke wrote:

> Steve Doherty wrote nothing:
>> 
> 
> Wow, that WAS a general inquiry! So general I have no idea where to
> start. :-)

  Well, since it's a /completely/ general inquiry, I guess we should start at
the beginning of all knowledge and tell him everything there is to know.  So
here goes...

  In the beginning, the universe was created.

  This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad
move.

  [... cont p.94 ...]

    cheers,
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 16:16   ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-08-04 19:28     ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 19:34       ` Douglas W. Goodall
  2006-08-04 19:45       ` Dave Korn
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: mwoehlke @ 2006-08-04 19:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

Dave Korn wrote:
> On 04 August 2006 16:53, mwoehlke wrote:
> 
>> Steve Doherty wrote nothing:
>> Wow, that WAS a general inquiry! So general I have no idea where to
>> start. :-)
> 
>   Well, since it's a /completely/ general inquiry, I guess we should start at
> the beginning of all knowledge and tell him everything there is to know.  So
> here goes...
> 
>   In the beginning, the universe was created.
> 
>   This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad
> move.
> 
>   [... cont p.94 ...]

You forgot...
DON'T PANIC!
:-D

How does that perversion of the expression go? Great minds gravitate 
into the same rut? "Ok, we need to tell him EVERYTHING" is exactly what 
/I/ thought when I read his post.

Ironically, I was listening to the Star Trek I sound track this morning. 
Geek Kudos to anyone that knows what that has to do with the above. :-)

-- 
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.

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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 19:28     ` mwoehlke
@ 2006-08-04 19:34       ` Douglas W. Goodall
  2006-08-04 19:45       ` Dave Korn
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Douglas W. Goodall @ 2006-08-04 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List'

Ah.. The words on the cover of the Hitchhiker's Guide. 

-----Original Message-----
From: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com] On
Behalf Of mwoehlke
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:28 PM
To: cygwin-talk@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: General Inquiry

Dave Korn wrote:
> On 04 August 2006 16:53, mwoehlke wrote:
> 
>> Steve Doherty wrote nothing:
>> Wow, that WAS a general inquiry! So general I have no idea where to 
>> start. :-)
> 
>   Well, since it's a /completely/ general inquiry, I guess we should 
> start at the beginning of all knowledge and tell him everything there 
> is to know.  So here goes...
> 
>   In the beginning, the universe was created.
> 
>   This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as 
> a bad move.
> 
>   [... cont p.94 ...]

You forgot...
DON'T PANIC!
:-D

How does that perversion of the expression go? Great minds gravitate into
the same rut? "Ok, we need to tell him EVERYTHING" is exactly what /I/
thought when I read his post.

Ironically, I was listening to the Star Trek I sound track this morning. 
Geek Kudos to anyone that knows what that has to do with the above. :-)

--
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.



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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 19:28     ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 19:34       ` Douglas W. Goodall
@ 2006-08-04 19:45       ` Dave Korn
  2006-08-04 20:48         ` mwoehlke
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-08-04 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'bloahwwwwwwrrrrrrrp'

On 04 August 2006 20:28, mwoehlke wrote:

> Dave Korn wrote:
>> On 04 August 2006 16:53, mwoehlke wrote:
>> 
>>> Steve Doherty wrote nothing:
>>> Wow, that WAS a general inquiry! So general I have no idea where to
>>> start. :-)
>> 
>>   Well, since it's a /completely/ general inquiry, I guess we should start
>> at the beginning of all knowledge and tell him everything there is to
>> know.  So here goes... 
>> 
>>   In the beginning, the universe was created.
>> 
>>   This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a
>> bad move. 
>> 
>>   [... cont p.94 ...]
> 
> You forgot...
> DON'T PANIC!
> :-D
> 
> How does that perversion of the expression go? Great minds gravitate
> into the same rut? 

  I always thought it was "Fools never differ"....  just shows what I know!

> "Ok, we need to tell him EVERYTHING" is exactly what
> /I/ thought when I read his post.
> 
> Ironically, I was listening to the Star Trek I sound track this morning.
> Geek Kudos to anyone that knows what that has to do with the above. :-)

  Nope, but I will do once you've finished telling the guy EVERYTHING...!


    cheers,
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 19:45       ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-08-04 20:48         ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 23:22           ` Gary R. Van Sickle
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: mwoehlke @ 2006-08-04 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

Dave Korn wrote:
> On 04 August 2006 20:28, mwoehlke wrote:
> 
>> Dave Korn wrote:
>>> On 04 August 2006 16:53, mwoehlke wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Doherty wrote nothing:
>>>> Wow, that WAS a general inquiry! So general I have no idea where to
>>>> start. :-)
>>>   Well, since it's a /completely/ general inquiry, I guess we should start
>>> at the beginning of all knowledge and tell him everything there is to
>>> know.  So here goes... 
>>>
>>>   In the beginning, the universe was created.
>>>
>>>   This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a
>>> bad move. 
>>>
>>>   [... cont p.94 ...]
>> You forgot...
>> DON'T PANIC!
>> :-D
>>
>> How does that perversion of the expression go? Great minds gravitate
>> into the same rut? 
> 
>   I always thought it was "Fools never differ"....  just shows what I know!

I am sure I have heard it twisted in a way similar to how I worded it... 
  Google thinks "great minds run in the same gutter" is rather popular, 
but I think I'm remembering something a little more ostentatious.

>> "Ok, we need to tell him EVERYTHING" is exactly what
>> /I/ thought when I read his post.
>>
>> Ironically, I was listening to the Star Trek I sound track this morning.
>> Geek Kudos to anyone that knows what that has to do with the above. :-)
> 
>   Nope, but I will do once you've finished telling the guy EVERYTHING...!

Ok, here is your hint:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture
(see the last paragraph in "Plot summary")

-- 
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.

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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 20:48         ` mwoehlke
@ 2006-08-04 23:22           ` Gary R. Van Sickle
  2006-08-05 20:25             ` Douglas W. Goodall
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Gary R. Van Sickle @ 2006-08-04 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List'

> From: mwoehlke
[snip]
>> "Ok, we need to tell him EVERYTHING" is exactly what /I/ 
> thought when 
>> I read his post.
>>
>> Ironically, I was listening to the Star Trek I sound track 
this morning.
>> Geek Kudos to anyone that knows what that has to do with 
the above. 
>> :-)

The OP only knows that he needs, mwoehlke. But, like so many of us, he does
not know what.

-- 
Gary R. Van Sickle
PS: I am awesome. ;-)

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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 23:22           ` Gary R. Van Sickle
@ 2006-08-05 20:25             ` Douglas W. Goodall
  2006-08-06  1:43               ` One Angry User
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Douglas W. Goodall @ 2006-08-05 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List'

When you say OP, are you referring to root@universe.org ? 

-----Original Message-----
From: cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-talk-owner@cygwin.com] On
Behalf Of Gary R. Van Sickle
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 4:22 PM
To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List'
Subject: RE: General Inquiry

> From: mwoehlke
[snip]
>> "Ok, we need to tell him EVERYTHING" is exactly what /I/
> thought when
>> I read his post.
>>
>> Ironically, I was listening to the Star Trek I sound track
this morning.
>> Geek Kudos to anyone that knows what that has to do with
the above. 
>> :-)

The OP only knows that he needs, mwoehlke. But, like so many of us, he does
not know what.

--
Gary R. Van Sickle
PS: I am awesome. ;-)



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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-05 20:25             ` Douglas W. Goodall
@ 2006-08-06  1:43               ` One Angry User
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: One Angry User @ 2006-08-06  1:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List

On a fine Satutday, the 5th day of August, 2006, Douglas W. Goodall's computer deigned to emit the following stream of bytes:

> GRVS> The OP only knows that he needs, mwoehlke.  But, like so many of
> GRVS> us, he does not know what.
>
> When you say OP, are you referring to root<at>universe.org ?

Now look what you did!  You've spammed the OP!  The OP will not be happy!

Besides, if the OP knew what he needed, he wouldn't reboot the universe...

OAU

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-06 16:54         ` Robert Pendell
@ 2006-08-07 18:58           ` Robert Pendell
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pendell @ 2006-08-07 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

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Oh and the only reason why I know about this extension is because I use
it to integrate POPFile more tightly into Thunderbird.  This extension
provides the reclassification link I need that is inserted into the
headers for me.  Saves a few clicks...

-- 
Robert Pendell
shinji257@uplink.net

Thawte Web of Trust Notary
CAcert Assurer


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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-05  0:25         ` George
  2006-08-05  0:44           ` Igor Peshansky
@ 2006-08-07  9:16           ` Dave Korn
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-08-07  9:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'The Cygwin-Talk Meowing List'

On 05 August 2006 01:25, George wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:51:17PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>> George wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:34:30PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>>>>>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>> Hmm, that's... not the best ASCII art I've seen.
> 
> Better?
> 
> $ echo "If you have a sensitive nature, $(banner 'PLEASE DON'T LOOK!!!')"
> 
> Reminds me of meowing on usenet.  Bonus points for anyone that gets the
> reference.


  I may have issued the odd cmsg newgroup in my day...


    cheers,
      DaveK
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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 23:12       ` mwoehlke
@ 2006-08-06 16:54         ` Robert Pendell
  2006-08-07 18:58           ` Robert Pendell
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pendell @ 2006-08-06 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

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mwoehlke wrote:
> Robert Pendell wrote:
>> mwoehlke wrote:
>>> George wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>>>>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Generic response.
>>>> You didn't read the headers:
>>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve
>>>>> Doherty from
>>>>> [snip]
>>> Aw, you ruined it... it was much funnier when it was just empty.
>>>
>>> Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header
>>> (Content-Transfer-Encoding??). I've seen people muck with the 'from'
>>> headers, but nothing like this. It looks like it's either unintentional
>>> (broken mailer?), or ...maybe just a way to get around spam filters
>>> (though not a very effective one)?
>>>
>>> I wish Thunderbird let me pick which headers to display. Guess sometime
>>> I'll have to find the motivation to build my own copy (even if
>>> maintaining a patch is a total PITA).
>>
>> Use the Mnenhy extension for Thunderbird.  The Custom Headers bit should
>> do it.
> 
> Ah, yes, EXACTLY what I was looking for; thanks!
> 
> (Ok, Dave, do you *always* change your "To:"? Now that I can see it... ;-))
> 

Glad to help. Why oh why was the digital sig invalid on my message.
Looks like the equal signs that were present on the end of a few lines
in the message were stripped out.  Gah!

-- 
Robert Pendell
shinji257@uplink.net

Thawte Web of Trust Notary
CAcert Assurer


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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-05  0:25         ` George
@ 2006-08-05  0:44           ` Igor Peshansky
  2006-08-07  9:16           ` Dave Korn
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Igor Peshansky @ 2006-08-05  0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, George wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:51:17PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
> > George wrote:
> > >On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:34:30PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
> > >>George wrote:
> > >>>On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
> > >>>>On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
> > Hmm, that's... not the best ASCII art I've seen.
>
> Better?
>
> $ echo "If you have a sensitive nature, $(banner 'PLEASE DON'T LOOK!!!')"

Tut-tut...  Quoting.  Try

$ echo "If you have a sensitive nature, $(banner 'PLEASE DON'"'"'T LOOK\!\!\!')"

> Reminds me of meowing on usenet.  Bonus points for anyone that gets the
> reference.

Just look at my .sig. :-)
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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 20:55       ` mwoehlke
@ 2006-08-05  0:25         ` George
  2006-08-05  0:44           ` Igor Peshansky
  2006-08-07  9:16           ` Dave Korn
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: George @ 2006-08-05  0:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:51:17PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
> George wrote:
> >On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:34:30PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
> >>George wrote:
> >>>On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
> >>>>On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
> Hmm, that's... not the best ASCII art I've seen.

Better? 

$ echo "If you have a sensitive nature, $(banner 'PLEASE DON'T LOOK!!!')"

Reminds me of meowing on usenet.  Bonus points for anyone that gets the 
reference.

Regards.

-- 
George

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 22:51     ` Robert Pendell
@ 2006-08-04 23:12       ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-06 16:54         ` Robert Pendell
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: mwoehlke @ 2006-08-04 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

Robert Pendell wrote:
> mwoehlke wrote:
>> George wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>>>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Generic response.
>>> You didn't read the headers:
>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve
>>>> Doherty from
>>>> [snip]
>> Aw, you ruined it... it was much funnier when it was just empty.
>>
>> Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header
>> (Content-Transfer-Encoding??). I've seen people muck with the 'from'
>> headers, but nothing like this. It looks like it's either unintentional
>> (broken mailer?), or ...maybe just a way to get around spam filters
>> (though not a very effective one)?
>>
>> I wish Thunderbird let me pick which headers to display. Guess sometime
>> I'll have to find the motivation to build my own copy (even if
>> maintaining a patch is a total PITA).
> 
> Use the Mnenhy extension for Thunderbird.  The Custom Headers bit should
> do it.

Ah, yes, EXACTLY what I was looking for; thanks!

(Ok, Dave, do you *always* change your "To:"? Now that I can see it... ;-))

-- 
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 19:35   ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 19:49     ` Dave Korn
  2006-08-04 20:27     ` George
@ 2006-08-04 22:51     ` Robert Pendell
  2006-08-04 23:12       ` mwoehlke
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pendell @ 2006-08-04 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

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mwoehlke wrote:
> George wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>>>
>>>   Generic response.
>>
>> You didn't read the headers:
>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve
>>> Doherty from
>>> [snip]
> 
> Aw, you ruined it... it was much funnier when it was just empty.
> 
> Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header
> (Content-Transfer-Encoding??). I've seen people muck with the 'from'
> headers, but nothing like this. It looks like it's either unintentional
> (broken mailer?), or ...maybe just a way to get around spam filters
> (though not a very effective one)?
> 
> I wish Thunderbird let me pick which headers to display. Guess sometime
> I'll have to find the motivation to build my own copy (even if
> maintaining a patch is a total PITA).
> 

Use the Mnenhy extension for Thunderbird.  The Custom Headers bit should
do it.

-- 
Robert Pendell
shinji257@uplink.net

Thawte Web of Trust Notary
CAcert Assurer


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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 20:27     ` George
@ 2006-08-04 20:55       ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-05  0:25         ` George
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: mwoehlke @ 2006-08-04 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

George wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:34:30PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
>> George wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>>>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Generic response.
>>> You didn't read the headers:
>>>
>>>> [snip]
>> Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header 
> 
> But not the last time.

Hmm, that's... not the best ASCII art I've seen.

And you used more than one. :P :-)

-- 
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 19:35   ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 19:49     ` Dave Korn
@ 2006-08-04 20:27     ` George
  2006-08-04 20:55       ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 22:51     ` Robert Pendell
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: George @ 2006-08-04 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:34:30PM -0500, mwoehlke wrote:
> George wrote:
> >On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
> >>On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
> >>
> >>  Generic response.
> >
> >You didn't read the headers:
> >
> >>[snip]
> 
> Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header 

But not the last time.

-- 
George

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* RE: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 19:35   ` mwoehlke
@ 2006-08-04 19:49     ` Dave Korn
  2006-08-04 20:27     ` George
  2006-08-04 22:51     ` Robert Pendell
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-08-04 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'The one true line-ending'

On 04 August 2006 20:35, mwoehlke wrote:

> George wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Generic response.
>> 
>> You didn't read the headers:
>> 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve
>>> Doherty from [snip]
> 
> Aw, you ruined it... it was much funnier when it was just empty.
> 
> Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header
> (Content-Transfer-Encoding??). I've seen people muck with the 'from'
> headers, but nothing like this. It looks like it's either unintentional
> (broken mailer?), or ...maybe just a way to get around spam filters
> (though not a very effective one)?

  No, it's a bodged-up mailer.  Wrong kind of line-end between the headers and
body.  Let's take a look: here's my interpetation of what happened:

Received: from sourceware.org ([209.132.176.174]) by mail.artimi.com with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830);
	 Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:31:30 +0100
Received: (qmail 14910 invoked by alias); 4 Aug 2006 15:31:26 -0000
Received: (qmail 14903 invoked by uid 22791); 4 Aug 2006 15:31:26 -0000
X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org
Received: from ns1.ultrahaus.srv.br (HELO ultrahost.ultrahaus.com)
(70.86.10.130)     by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug
2006 15:31:22 +0000
Received: from ultrahost ([70.86.10.130]) by ultrahost.ultrahaus.com with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); 	 Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:31:21 -0300

  All that ^^^ was added in flight after the spammer sent it.

Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:31:21 -0300
Subject: General Inquiry
To: cygwin@cygwin
From: Steve Doherty <steve_doherty006@UnionPlus.net>
Reply-To: steve_doherty006@UnionPlus.net
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve Doherty
from FAITH SUPPLIES and i will like to purchase some of your product to one of
my best customer in West African and i will like to place an International
Order with you regard shipment to  My Customer in West Africa Like South
Africa and Nigeria and i will like to know if you do ship Via the United Post
Service ( USPS ) and EMS .Or Fedex Express Payment terms are " Visa and Master
Card". I will want you to get back to me with your website if my payment terms
is Ok by you .   Regard.   Steve Doherty

  This is what the spammer sent.  Because s/h/it used an LF after the C-T-E
header, and because  some but not all mail servers /insist/ on you using
CR-LF, as per the rfc, rather than any old LF on its own, this was taken as
one continuous line with a pair of non-printing control chars in the middle,
rather than a CTE - blank-line-separator - message body sequence.

Message-ID: <ULTRAHOSTXLPEnq6nLB0000b8d1@ultrahost.ultrahaus.com>

  Spammer successfully sent a period on a line by itself after the message
body, thus the smtp server thought that a bunch of headers with no body had
been sent; it added its own Message-ID to (what it thought were just) the
headers, and sent it on.

Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin

  Snip the rest: added at sourceware.org


  BTW, just as a side point to the debate on the main list about EOL handling:
the smtp rfc, 2822, (and the http one as well, but I forget which number) both
mandate CR-LF line endings.  Considering that 2822 is derived from 822, which
was published in 1982 before there ever was such a thing as MS-DOS, I consider
that CR-LF is a Unix and IETF standard line-ending.  Funny, that!

    cheers,
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 16:34 ` George
@ 2006-08-04 19:35   ` mwoehlke
  2006-08-04 19:49     ` Dave Korn
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: mwoehlke @ 2006-08-04 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

George wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
>> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>>
>>   Generic response.
> 
> You didn't read the headers:
> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve Doherty from
>> [snip]

Aw, you ruined it... it was much funnier when it was just empty.

Wow... that's the first time I've seen a MESSAGE in a header 
(Content-Transfer-Encoding??). I've seen people muck with the 'from' 
headers, but nothing like this. It looks like it's either unintentional 
(broken mailer?), or ...maybe just a way to get around spam filters 
(though not a very effective one)?

I wish Thunderbird let me pick which headers to display. Guess sometime 
I'll have to find the motivation to build my own copy (even if 
maintaining a patch is a total PITA).

-- 
Matthew
Only Joe suffers from schizophrenia. The rest of us enjoy it.

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* Re: General Inquiry
@ 2006-08-04 17:44 Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes @ 2006-08-04 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin-talk

Can't get much less specific than that, I guess.
(For those that missed it, the actual (spam) content was in the
Content-Transfer-Encoding header.)

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: General Inquiry
From:    "Steve Doherty" <steve_doherty006@UnionPlus.net>
Date:    Fri, August 4, 2006 8:31 am
To:      cygwin@cygwin.com
--------------------------------------------------------------------------



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* Re: General Inquiry
  2006-08-04 15:40 Dave Korn
@ 2006-08-04 16:34 ` George
  2006-08-04 19:35   ` mwoehlke
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: George @ 2006-08-04 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Cygwin-Talk Maiming List

On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 04:40:34PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
> On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
> 
>   Generic response.

You didn't read the headers:

> Content-Type: text/plain
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Hello sales,   Good day and Am Steve Doherty from
> FAITH SUPPLIES and i will like to purchase some of your product to one of my best
> customer in West African and i will like to place an International Order with you
> regard shipment to  My Customer in West Africa Like South Africa and Nigeria and i
> will like to know if you do ship Via the United Post Service ( USPS ) and EMS .Or
> Fedex Express Payment terms are " Visa and Master Card". I will want you to get back
> to me with your website if my payment terms is Ok by you .   Regard.   Steve Doherty
> Message-ID: <ULTRAHOSTXLPEnq6nLB0000b8d1@ultrahost.ultrahaus.com>

Maybe someone should forward this to the sales@cygwin.com address?  
Dunno if it will help, though.  I'm still waiting to hear back on my 
request for my free Cygwin T-shirt and have yet to hear back.

-- 
George

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* Re: General Inquiry
@ 2006-08-04 15:40 Dave Korn
  2006-08-04 16:34 ` George
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dave Korn @ 2006-08-04 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thread TITTTL'd!

On 04 August 2006 16:31, Steve Doherty wrote:
>

  Generic response.

    cheers,
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

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