Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[Colin Harrison]

Hi,

Does MIT-SHM work over a network with Cygwin/X (or is your client local)?

You appear to be connecting a remote Suse to local Windows from your traces.

See this fd.o bugzilla on SSH proxies and shared memory...
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11080

Thanks,
Colin Harrison


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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[egerlach]

* Colin Harrison schrieb:

> Hi,
> 
> Does MIT-SHM work over a network with Cygwin/X (or is your client local)?
>
> You appear to be connecting a remote Suse to local Windows from your traces.
so it is. Sorry, I didn't declare it in my first post. 

   Linux Suse 11.1 Server  <- LAN ->  windows XP (with cygwin)
  

> See this fd.o bugzilla on SSH proxies and shared memory...
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11080

thx. But I understand only a few aspects. 

Perhaps that helps concerning "ssh-proxy errors": 
   If the child window is not a window of the medical program but a 
   picture viewer (jpg, png, ..)  then the window appears correctly!  Only a 
   child window of the medical program appears wrong decorated and can't 
   be rezised. 

   And: as viewer we use kuickshow (KDE-Appl.)  and kuickshow works with shared
   memory and works fine. So it seems that only the child window of the medical 
   program is our problem, the rest works fine. 

thank you, Colin. 
Eckard

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1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[egerlach]

Hi, 
a proprietary medical program (programmed in qt) is working with  cygwin in -multiwindow 
mode on WinXP. Latest cygwin 1.7.17 (installed 3 days ago) seens so work. But child
windows of that programm open in fullscreen size (fill the entire screen)  and 
without important window manager functions: the windows can't be rezised with the 
mouse and the 3 symbols in the top right corner  X, _ and D  are missing.  

Xwin.exe is started with parameters: -multiwindow  -ac 

BTW: Xming with same parameters as Xserver works fine!  But Xming has not shared memory (shm-MIT) :( 
So we need cygwin. 

any help will be appreciated. 
thx 
Eckard

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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[egerlach]

further informations: a very old cygwin (0.9. ?? , about 6 years old) has no problems with 
        child windows. The childs apear with 3 symbols in the top right corner  X, _ and D
        and the childs are opened in the correct size. We need now a newer cygwin because of 
        SHM-MIT (shared memory). 


* egerlach@aiai.de (me!) wrote:

> Hi, 
> a proprietary medical program (programmed in qt) is working with  cygwin in -multiwindow 
> mode on WinXP. Latest cygwin 1.7.17 (installed 3 days ago) seens so work. But child
> windows of that programm open in fullscreen size (fill the entire screen)  and 
> without important window manager functions: the windows can't be rezised with the 
> mouse and the 3 symbols in the top right corner  X, _ and D  are missing.  
> 
> Xwin.exe is started with parameters: -multiwindow  -ac 
> 
> BTW: Xming with same parameters as Xserver works fine!  But Xming has no shared memory (shm-MIT) :( 
> So we need cygwin. 
> 
> any help will be appreciated. 
> thx 
> Eckard
> 

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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[Jon TURNEY]

On 07/12/2012 14:54, egerlach@aiai.de wrote:
> a proprietary medical program (programmed in qt) is working with  cygwin in -multiwindow 
> mode on WinXP. Latest cygwin 1.7.17 (installed 3 days ago) seens so work. But child
> windows of that programm open in fullscreen size (fill the entire screen)  and 
> without important window manager functions: the windows can't be rezised with the 
> mouse and the 3 symbols in the top right corner  X, _ and D  are missing.  
> 
> Xwin.exe is started with parameters: -multiwindow  -ac 
> 
> BTW: Xming with same parameters as Xserver works fine!  But Xming has not shared memory (shm-MIT) :( 
> So we need cygwin. 

Possibly this is a bug with the mapping of the X windows decoration hints into
a native Windows window style.

Can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then
clicking on the window which doesn't get decorated and sized correctly?

(The cygwin DLL version number (1.7.17) is independent of the X server version
number, so doesn't really help here.  The X server version number which it
works correctly with would be more informative)

Are you are comparing with the last free version of Xming (6.9.0.31), or a
more recent version?

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Jon TURNEY
Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer

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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[egerlach]

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* Jon TURNEY schrieb:

> Possibly this is a bug with the mapping of the X windows decoration hints into
> a native Windows window style.
> 
> Can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then
> clicking on the window which doesn't get decorated and sized correctly?

See xprop as appending:
gwenview_parent_window.txt
gwenview_child_window.txt
child_window.txt
parent_window.txt

gwenview windows are working, "mother" and child window. 

but not child_window.txt. 

> 
> (The cygwin DLL version number (1.7.17) is independent of the X server version
> number, so doesn't really help here.  The X server version number which it
> works correctly with would be more informative)
I'll find it out, at the moment the PCs are in use.

> Are you are comparing with the last free version of Xming (6.9.0.31), or a
> more recent version?
yes, last free version 6.9.0.31 
A newer non-free Version 7.5.x  works fine, too

thx
Eckard

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_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 393672
_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 1651515
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "Befund bearbeiten"
XdndAware(ATOM) = ATOM
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb6, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x55, 0xd, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xa00002
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "EditBefund_Dlg_Impl"
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 13903
_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_MODAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x6, 0x0, 0x68, 0x3, 0x0
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "Befund bearbeiten"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "C"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "davidx", "Davidx"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		window id # of group leader: 0xa00002
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		user specified location: 0, 0
		program specified location: 0, 0
		user specified size: 1684 by 1013
		program specified size: 1684 by 1013
		program specified minimum size: 478 by 263
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"
WM_TRANSIENT_FOR(WINDOW): window id # 0xa0008b

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_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 2714296
_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_MODAL
WM_TRANSIENT_FOR(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00001
_NET_STARTUP_ID(UTF8_STRING) = "0"
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "Settings"
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	                â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘               
	                  â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘                
	                    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                 
	                      â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                   
	                        â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                     
	                           â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                         
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                


XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb5, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "Einrichten - Gwenview"
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00003
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 15531
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x6, 0x1, 0x1e, 0x3, 0x0
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_CONTEXT_HELP
WM_NAME(STRING) = "Einrichten - Gwenview"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "de_DE.UTF-8"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gwenview", "Gwenview"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xc004f3
		bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xc004f6
		window id # of group leader: 0xc00003
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		program specified minimum size: 482 by 327
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"

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_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 2711250
_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 1900904
_NET_STARTUP_ID(UTF8_STRING) = "0"
WM_COMMAND(STRING) = { "gwenview" }
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "MainWindow#1"
_NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) = 	Icon (64 x 64):
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                             â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘                    
	                         â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘                
	                       â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘             
	                     â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–‘   â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘           
	                   â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–‘  â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘        
	                  â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–‘ â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘      
	                 â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘    
	                â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘  
	               â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘           â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’  
	              â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘             â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘  
	             â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘              â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’   
	            â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘              â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘   
	           â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘            â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’    
	          â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘           â–‘â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’    
	          â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘          â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘    
	         â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’  â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“          â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘    
	        â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’   â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–‘         â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘    
	        â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’   â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘   â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’        â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘     
	       â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘   â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’        â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘     
	       â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘  â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“       â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘     
	      â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘     â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“      â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘      
	      â–’â–“â–“â–’â–‘      â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’ â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“     â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘      
	     â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“     â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘       
	     â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’    â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘        
	    â–‘â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–‘   â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘        
	    â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘        â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–‘  â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘         
	   â–‘â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘        â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’  â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘         
	   â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘        â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘          
	   â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘       â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘           
	  â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘       â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘           
	  â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘        â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘            
	   â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘         â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘             
	   â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘         â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘              
	    â–’â–’â–’ â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘       â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘               
	     â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                
	     â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–‘ â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                 
	      â–’â–’â–’â–“â–‘   â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                   
	       â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’    â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                    
	        â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–‘     â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                      
	        â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’       â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                         
	         â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘          â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                â–‘â–‘â–‘          
	          â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘                              â–‘â–’â–’â–’           
	           â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–‘                        â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘           
	             â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–‘                  â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘            
	              â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘             
	               â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘              
	                â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘               
	                  â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘                
	                    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                 
	                      â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                   
	                        â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                     
	                           â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                         
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                


XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb5, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x7b, 0xb7, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "Gwenview"
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00003
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 15531
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x2, 0x1, 0x7e, 0x0, 0x0
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "Gwenview"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "de_DE.UTF-8"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gwenview", "Gwenview"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xc00012
		bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xc00015
		window id # of group leader: 0xc00003
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		program specified minimum size: 383 by 193
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"

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_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 262598
_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 1651515
WM_COMMAND(STRING) = { "/home/david/gui/davidx" }
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "DV - AIS - 18.12.2012 - xxxxxxxxxxxx"
_QT_SIZEGRIP(WINDOW): window id # 0x0
XdndAware(ATOM) = ATOM
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb6, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0xa5, 0xbf, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xa00002
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "DavidMainWindow"
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 13903
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "C"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "davidx", "Davidx"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		window id # of group leader: 0xa00002
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		user specified size: 1449 by 913
		program specified size: 1449 by 913
		program specified minimum size: 930 by 331
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"


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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

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* Jon TURNEY schrieb:

> Possibly this is a bug with the mapping of the X windows decoration hints into
> a native Windows window style.
> 
> Can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then
> clicking on the window which doesn't get decorated and sized correctly?

See xprop as appending:
gwenview_parent_window.txt
gwenview_child_window.txt
child_window.txt
parent_window.txt

gwenview windows are working, "mother" and child window. 

but not child_window.txt. 

> 
> (The cygwin DLL version number (1.7.17) is independent of the X server version
> number, so doesn't really help here.  The X server version number which it
> works correctly with would be more informative)
I'll find it out, at the moment the PCs are in use.

> Are you are comparing with the last free version of Xming (6.9.0.31), or a
> more recent version?
yes, last free version 6.9.0.31 
A newer non-free Version 7.5.x  works fine, too

thx
Eckard

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_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 393672
_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 1651515
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "Befund bearbeiten"
XdndAware(ATOM) = ATOM
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb6, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x55, 0xd, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xa00002
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "EditBefund_Dlg_Impl"
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 13903
_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_MODAL
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x6, 0x0, 0x68, 0x3, 0x0
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "Befund bearbeiten"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "C"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "davidx", "Davidx"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		window id # of group leader: 0xa00002
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		user specified location: 0, 0
		program specified location: 0, 0
		user specified size: 1684 by 1013
		program specified size: 1684 by 1013
		program specified minimum size: 478 by 263
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"
WM_TRANSIENT_FOR(WINDOW): window id # 0xa0008b

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_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 721248
_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 2714296
_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_MODAL
WM_TRANSIENT_FOR(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00001
_NET_STARTUP_ID(UTF8_STRING) = "0"
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "Settings"
_NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) = 	Icon (64 x 64):
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
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XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb5, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "Einrichten - Gwenview"
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00003
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 15531
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x6, 0x1, 0x1e, 0x3, 0x0
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING, _NET_WM_CONTEXT_HELP
WM_NAME(STRING) = "Einrichten - Gwenview"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "de_DE.UTF-8"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gwenview", "Gwenview"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xc004f3
		bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xc004f6
		window id # of group leader: 0xc00003
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		program specified minimum size: 482 by 327
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"

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_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 2711250
_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 1900904
_NET_STARTUP_ID(UTF8_STRING) = "0"
WM_COMMAND(STRING) = { "gwenview" }
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "MainWindow#1"
_NET_WM_ICON(CARDINAL) = 	Icon (64 x 64):
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
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	                   â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–‘  â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘        
	                  â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–‘ â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘      
	                 â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘    
	                â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘  
	               â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘           â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’  
	              â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘             â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘  
	             â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘              â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’   
	            â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘              â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘   
	           â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘            â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’    
	          â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘           â–‘â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’    
	          â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘          â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘    
	         â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’  â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“          â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘    
	        â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’   â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–‘         â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘    
	        â–’â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’   â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘   â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’        â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘     
	       â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘   â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’        â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘     
	       â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘  â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“       â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘     
	      â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–’â–‘     â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“      â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘      
	      â–’â–“â–“â–’â–‘      â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’ â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“     â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘      
	     â–‘â–“â–“â–’â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“     â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘       
	     â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’    â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘        
	    â–‘â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–‘   â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘        
	    â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘        â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–‘  â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘         
	   â–‘â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘        â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’  â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘         
	   â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘        â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘          
	   â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘       â–‘â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘           
	  â–’â–“â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘       â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘           
	  â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘        â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘            
	   â–’â–’â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘         â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘             
	   â–’â–’â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘         â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘              
	    â–’â–’â–’ â–’â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘       â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘               
	     â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–“â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                
	     â–‘â–’â–’â–“â–‘ â–‘â–‘â–’â–“â–“â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                 
	      â–’â–’â–’â–“â–‘   â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                   
	       â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’    â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                    
	        â–’â–’â–’â–“â–’â–‘     â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                      
	        â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’       â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                         
	         â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘          â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                â–‘â–‘â–‘          
	          â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘                              â–‘â–’â–’â–’           
	           â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–‘â–‘                        â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘           
	             â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–‘                  â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘            
	              â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘      â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘             
	               â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘              
	                â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘               
	                  â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘                
	                    â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                 
	                      â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                   
	                        â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–’â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                     
	                           â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘                         
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                
	                                                                


XdndAware(ATOM) = BITMAP
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb5, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x7b, 0xb7, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "Gwenview"
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xc00003
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 15531
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
_MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x2, 0x1, 0x7e, 0x0, 0x0
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "Gwenview"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "de_DE.UTF-8"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "gwenview", "Gwenview"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		bitmap id # to use for icon: 0xc00012
		bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0xc00015
		window id # of group leader: 0xc00003
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		program specified minimum size: 383 by 193
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"

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_WINDOWSWM_NATIVE_HWND(INTEGER) = 262598
_NET_WM_USER_TIME(CARDINAL) = 1651515
WM_COMMAND(STRING) = { "/home/david/gui/davidx" }
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = "DV - AIS - 18.12.2012 - xxxxxxxxxx  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   "
_QT_SIZEGRIP(WINDOW): window id # 0x0
XdndAware(ATOM) = ATOM
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0xb6, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0xa5, 0xbf, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0xa00002
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "DavidMainWindow"
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 13903
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "DV - AIS - 18.12.2012 - xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "C"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "davidx", "Davidx"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
		Client accepts input or input focus: True
		Initial state is Normal State.
		window id # of group leader: 0xa00002
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
		user specified size: 1449 by 913
		program specified size: 1449 by 913
		program specified minimum size: 930 by 331
		window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "suse111"


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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[Jon TURNEY]

On 18/12/2012 13:51, egerlach@aiai.de wrote:
> * Jon TURNEY schrieb:
> 
>> Possibly this is a bug with the mapping of the X windows decoration hints into
>> a native Windows window style.
>>
>> Can you install 'xprop', and show the output you get from running that, then
>> clicking on the window which doesn't get decorated and sized correctly?

Thanks.

If I've understood you correctly, the problems with how this window is shown
are: (i) it doesn't have a resizing frame, (ii) it doesn't have minimize,
maximize and close controls and (iii) it's too big.

>> _NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_MODAL
>> _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
>> _MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x6, 0x0, 0x68, 0x3, 0x0
>> WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
>> 		user specified location: 0, 0
>> 		program specified location: 0, 0
>> 		user specified size: 1684 by 1013
>> 		program specified size: 1684 by 1013
>> 		program specified minimum size: 478 by 263
>> 		window gravity: NorthWest

The _MOTIF_WM_HINTS request a window title, minimize and maximize controls,
but no window menu, border or sizing frame.

Unfortunately, on Windows, not having a window menu also means you don't get
minimize, maximize and close controls, so that is why the window appears with
just a title.

I don't see anything in these window appearance hints that says that the
window should be resizable (and it appears to be a modal dialog, which are
often fixed size).

The size of window the application is asking for is 1684x1013 (which I assume
is close to your monitor size).  I don't know why that might be (perhaps the
application remembers the window size from when it's been maximized previously?)

I'm not sure if a change to XWin is warranted here, or what that change might be.

Can you give an example of another window manager which shows this window as
you expect for comparison purposes?

Perhaps you can use the XWinrc file to override the style for this window and
change it to something more useful for you?

>> (The cygwin DLL version number (1.7.17) is independent of the X server version
>> number, so doesn't really help here.  The X server version number which it
>> works correctly with would be more informative)
> I'll find it out, at the moment the PCs are in use.
> 
>> Are you are comparing with the last free version of Xming (6.9.0.31), or a
>> more recent version?
> yes, last free version 6.9.0.31 
> A newer non-free Version 7.5.x  works fine, too

Hmm... the current Xming code for mapping the hints onto a native window style
is very similar (although not identical), so I'm not quite sure why they
behave differently.

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Re: 1.7.17: child window opens without window-manager

[egerlach]

* Jon TURNEY schrieb:

> 
> >> _NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_STATE_MODAL
> >> _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
> >> _MOTIF_WM_HINTS(_MOTIF_WM_HINTS) = 0x6, 0x0, 0x68, 0x3, 0x0
> >> WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
> >> 		user specified location: 0, 0
> >> 		program specified location: 0, 0
> >> 		user specified size: 1684 by 1013
> >> 		program specified size: 1684 by 1013
> >> 		program specified minimum size: 478 by 263
> >> 		window gravity: NorthWest
> 
> The _MOTIF_WM_HINTS request a window title, minimize and maximize controls,
> but no window menu, border or sizing frame.
> 

probably solved: only ONE  child window is broken, and exactly THIS windows I was 
asked for to analyse the problem. Other child windows have decoration und rezise
option! 
Thats what I did: I started the medical program with Xming again and was surprised, 
that this one child windows opens in fullscreen mode, too. But with Xming I could 
resize it. I resized it to normal size and restartet with cygwin. And I works. 
Other child windows are possible to resize and are decorated, but not that one 
child window. Now that one child windows has the right size an nobody can change
it. Rezising of this one child windows is not necessary. We will make bug report
to the engineers of the medical program that something concerining rezise and 
decoration is different to all other child windows. The will correct it with 
the next update. 

The problem ist probably solved, if not I will write again. 

thx to all!
cygwin - a great software!

Eckard

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