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* Another setup v2.889 regression?
@ 2018-03-04 15:11 Houder
  2018-03-04 16:58 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information Houder
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Houder @ 2018-03-04 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

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Hi,

Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
some testing of my own.

I started out with empty directories for the repo (a.k.a. the
Local Directory?) and the root directory ...

After having downloaded and installed the "required" packages,
I again started setup (3rd time and 4th time) to download and
install "cscope" (yes, one of the packages).

Then I started setup for the 5th time (download): it reported
"nothing to install".

When I started setup for the 6th time (install), it wanted to
replace cscope (v15.8b-1)  with an older version (15.8.0.1-2)

 From /var/log/setup.log:

2018/03/04 15:35:04 Starting cygwin install, version 2.889
2018/03/04 15:35:04 User has backup/restore rights
2018/03/04 15:35:04 Current Directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
2018/03/04 15:35:04 Could not open service McShield for query, start and 
stop. McAfee may not be installed, or we don't have access.
2018/03/04 15:35:15 source: from local dir
2018/03/04 15:35:17 root: e:\Cygwin64-test system
2018/03/04 15:35:18 Selected local directory: 
e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
2018/03/04 15:35:20 solving: 0 tasks, update: yes, use test packages: no
2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install                                         
  cscope          15.8.0.1-2
2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase                                         
  cscope             15.8b-1

 From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:

curr: 15.8b-1
prev: 15.8.0.1-2
replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2

As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.

Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).

Henri

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2018/03/04 15:35:04 Starting cygwin install, version 2.889
2018/03/04 15:35:04 User has backup/restore rights
2018/03/04 15:35:04 Current Directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
2018/03/04 15:35:04 Could not open service McShield for query, start and stop. McAfee may not be installed, or we don't have access.
2018/03/04 15:35:15 source: from local dir
2018/03/04 15:35:17 root: e:\Cygwin64-test system
2018/03/04 15:35:18 Selected local directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
Found ini file - e:/_cygwin64_repository-test/http%3a%2f%2fftp.snt.utwente.nl%2fpub%2fsoftware%2fcygwin%2f/x86_64/setup.ini
.ini setup_version is 2.889, our setup_version is 2.889
INSTALLED.DB version 3
2018/03/04 15:35:20 solving: 0 tasks, update: yes, use test packages: no
libsolv: solver started
libsolv: dosplitprovides=0, noupdateprovide=0, noinfarchcheck=0
libsolv: allowuninstall=0, allowdowngrade=0, allownamechange=1, allowarchchange=0, allowvendorchange=1
libsolv: promoteepoch=0, forbidselfconflicts=0
libsolv: obsoleteusesprovides=0, implicitobsoleteusesprovides=0, obsoleteusescolors=0, implicitobsoleteusescolors=0
libsolv: dontinstallrecommended=0, addalreadyrecommended=0
libsolv: number of solvables: 45255, memory used: 2474 K
libsolv: number of ids: 24406 + 45184
libsolv: string memory used: 95 K array + 416 K data,  rel memory used: 529 K array
libsolv: string hash memory: 256 K, rel hash memory : 512 K
libsolv: provide ids: 10433
libsolv: provide space needed: 33236 + 90368
libsolv: shrunk whatprovidesdata from 33236 to 33236
libsolv: shrunk whatprovidesauxdata from 33236 to 22800
libsolv: whatprovides memory used: 275 K id array, 482 K data
libsolv: whatprovidesaux memory used: 95 K id array, 89 K data
libsolv: WARNING: pool_addfileprovides was not called, this may result in slow operation
libsolv: lazywhatprovidesq size: 0 entries
libsolv: createwhatprovides took 0 ms
libsolv: obsoletes data: 1 entries
libsolv: added 960 pkg rules for installed solvables
libsolv: added 5 pkg rules for updaters of installed solvables
libsolv: added 0 pkg rules for packages involved in a job
libsolv: added 0 pkg rules because of weak dependencies
libsolv: 248 of 22703 installable solvables considered for solving
libsolv: pruned rules from 966 to 966
libsolv:   binary: 314
libsolv:   normal: 651, 2383 literals
libsolv: pkg rule memory used: 22 K
libsolv: pkg rule creation took 0 ms
libsolv: choice rule creation took 0 ms
libsolv: 965 pkg rules, 2 * 71 update rules, 0 job rules, 0 infarch rules, 0 dup rules, 0 choice rules, 0 best rules
libsolv: overall rule memory used: 25 K
libsolv: solving...
libsolv: resolving job rules
libsolv: resolving installed packages
libsolv: deciding orphaned packages
libsolv: solver statistics: 0 learned rules, 0 unsolvable, 0 minimization steps
libsolv: done solving.
libsolv: solver took 0 ms
libsolv: final solver statistics: 0 problems, 0 learned rules, 0 unsolvable
libsolv: solver_solve took 0 ms
libsolv: 
libsolv: transaction:
libsolv:   upgrade   cscope-15.8.0.1-2.any
libsolv:   (obsoletes
libsolv:  cscope-15.8b-1.any
libsolv: )
libsolv: 
libsolv: 
libsolv: orphaned packages:
libsolv:   base-0.0-0.any (kept)
libsolv: 
libsolv: ordering transaction
libsolv: transaction elements: 1
libsolv: edges: 0, edge space: 0
libsolv: edge creation took 0 ms
libsolv: cycles broken: 0
libsolv: cycle breaking took 0 ms
libsolv: cycle edge creation took 0 ms
libsolv: invedge space: 3
libsolv: creating new transaction took 0 ms
libsolv: transaction ordering took 0 ms
libsolv: 1 upgraded packages:
libsolv:   - cscope-15.8b-1.any -> cscope-15.8.0.1-2.any
libsolv: 
2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install                                          cscope          15.8.0.1-2
2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase                                          cscope             15.8b-1
2018/03/04 15:36:09 Ending cygwin install

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* Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information
  2018-03-04 15:11 Another setup v2.889 regression? Houder
@ 2018-03-04 16:58 ` Houder
  2018-03-04 18:28   ` Brian Inglis
  2018-03-04 19:12 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? Again Houder
  2018-03-04 22:25 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? Jon Turney
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Houder @ 2018-03-04 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On 2018-03-04 16:11, Houder wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
> some testing of my own.
> 
> I started out with empty directories for the repo (a.k.a. the
> Local Directory?) and the root directory ...
> 
> After having downloaded and installed the "required" packages,
> I again started setup (3rd time and 4th time) to download and
> install "cscope" (yes, one of the packages).
> 
> Then I started setup for the 5th time (download): it reported
> "nothing to install".
> 
> When I started setup for the 6th time (install), it wanted to
> replace cscope (v15.8b-1)  with an older version (15.8.0.1-2)

Sorry, I should have added ...

I always invoke setup using a shortcut, i.e. the invocation is
always parameterized as follows:

     E:\_cygwin64_repository-test\setup-x86_64-2889.exe \
     -n -R e:/Cygwin64-test -l e:/_cygwin64_repository-test

(startup-directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test)

> From /var/log/setup.log:
> 
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Starting cygwin install, version 2.889
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 User has backup/restore rights
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Current Directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Could not open service McShield for query, start
> and stop. McAfee may not be installed, or we don't have access.
> 2018/03/04 15:35:15 source: from local dir
> 2018/03/04 15:35:17 root: e:\Cygwin64-test system
> 2018/03/04 15:35:18 Selected local directory: 
> e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 solving: 0 tasks, update: yes, use test packages: 
> no
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install
>    cscope          15.8.0.1-2
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase
>    cscope             15.8b-1
> 
> From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:
> 
> curr: 15.8b-1
> prev: 15.8.0.1-2
> replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2
> 
> As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
> in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.
> 
> Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).
> 
> Henri
> 
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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information
  2018-03-04 16:58 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information Houder
@ 2018-03-04 18:28   ` Brian Inglis
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Brian Inglis @ 2018-03-04 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On 2018-03-04 09:58, Houder wrote:
> On 2018-03-04 16:11, Houder wrote:
>> Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
>> some testing of my own.
>> I started out with empty directories for the repo (a.k.a. the
>> Local Directory?) and the root directory ...
>> After having downloaded and installed the "required" packages,
>> I again started setup (3rd time and 4th time) to download and
>> install "cscope" (yes, one of the packages).
>> Then I started setup for the 5th time (download): it reported
>> "nothing to install".
>> When I started setup for the 6th time (install), it wanted to
>> replace cscope (v15.8b-1)  with an older version (15.8.0.1-2)
> Sorry, I should have added ...
> I always invoke setup using a shortcut, i.e. the invocation is
> always parameterized as follows:
>     E:\_cygwin64_repository-test\setup-x86_64-2889.exe \
>     -n -R e:/Cygwin64-test -l e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
> (startup-directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test)
>> From /var/log/setup.log:
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Starting cygwin install, version 2.889
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 User has backup/restore rights
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Current Directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Could not open service McShield for query, start
>> and stop. McAfee may not be installed, or we don't have access.
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:15 source: from local dir
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:17 root: e:\Cygwin64-test system
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:18 Selected local directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 solving: 0 tasks, update: yes, use test packages: no
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install
>>    cscope          15.8.0.1-2
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase
>>    cscope             15.8b-1
>>
>> From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:
>> curr: 15.8b-1
>> prev: 15.8.0.1-2
>> replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2
>>
>> As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
>> in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.
>> Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).

Version epochs need to be used to resolve version format changes.
They are now supported in most of the packaging utilities, but once they are
used in setup.ini and installed.db, all older packaging utility versions will
break.
How soon would you like that sir? ;^>
It's damned if you do, and damned if you don't: substitute your own localized
translation.

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* Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...
  2018-03-04 15:11 Another setup v2.889 regression? Houder
  2018-03-04 16:58 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information Houder
@ 2018-03-04 19:12 ` Houder
  2018-03-04 19:46   ` Steven Penny
  2018-03-04 22:25 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? Jon Turney
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Houder @ 2018-03-04 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On 2018-03-04 16:11, Houder wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
> some testing of my own.
> 
> I started out with empty directories for the repo (a.k.a. the
> Local Directory?) and the root directory ...
> 
> After having downloaded and installed the "required" packages,
> I again started setup (3rd time and 4th time) to download and
> install "cscope" (yes, one of the packages).
> 
> Then I started setup for the 5th time (download): it reported
> "nothing to install".

Sigh.

I repeated the whole process and this time setup wants to download
v15.8.0.1-2 (i.e. the older version which it should not download).

Being surprised, I went backwards (GUI) and forward again, and after
that setup had again changed its mind (again "nothing to install").

Aborting setup and starting setup anew, it again wants to download
the previous version of cscope ... which I declined.

Btw, if setup is started in "install mode" after the above, it wants
to install the previous version of cscope (which it is not there).

Continuing the install results in UNstalling cscope (v15.8b-1).

> When I started setup for the 6th time (install), it wanted to
> replace cscope (v15.8b-1)  with an older version (15.8.0.1-2)
> 
> From /var/log/setup.log:
> 
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Starting cygwin install, version 2.889
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 User has backup/restore rights
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Current Directory: e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
> 2018/03/04 15:35:04 Could not open service McShield for query, start
> and stop. McAfee may not be installed, or we don't have access.
> 2018/03/04 15:35:15 source: from local dir
> 2018/03/04 15:35:17 root: e:\Cygwin64-test system
> 2018/03/04 15:35:18 Selected local directory: 
> e:/_cygwin64_repository-test
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 solving: 0 tasks, update: yes, use test packages: 
> no
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install
>    cscope          15.8.0.1-2
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase
>    cscope             15.8b-1
> 
> From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:
> 
> curr: 15.8b-1
> prev: 15.8.0.1-2
> replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2
> 
> As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
> in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.
> 
> Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).
> 
> Henri
> 
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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...
  2018-03-04 19:12 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? Again Houder
@ 2018-03-04 19:46   ` Steven Penny
  2018-03-04 22:31     ` Brian Inglis
  2018-03-05 21:05     ` Andrey Repin
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Steven Penny @ 2018-03-04 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 20:11:55, Houder wrote:
> Sigh.
>
> I repeated the whole process and this time setup wants to download
> v15.8.0.1-2 (i.e. the older version which it should not download).
>
> Being surprised, I went backwards (GUI) and forward again, and after
> that setup had again changed its mind (again "nothing to install").
>
> Aborting setup and starting setup anew, it again wants to download
> the previous version of cscope ... which I declined.
>
> Btw, if setup is started in "install mode" after the above, it wants
> to install the previous version of cscope (which it is not there).
>
> Continuing the install results in UNstalling cscope (v15.8b-1).

Hey, I think something is up with your mail client. I see you are using
"XS4ALL Webmail" (not sure what that is). First you put a new thread here:

  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-03/msg00038.html

Then you replied to yourself here:

  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-03/msg00042.html

but your mail client is not prepending the subject with "Re: ", so it appears
you started a 2nd thread. Then you replied to your original post again:

  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-03/msg00047.html

and again no "Re: ". Whats even more maddening is that not only do your replies
not have the "Re: ", but they dont even have the same subject:

- Another setup v2.889 regression?
- Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information
- Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...


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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression?
  2018-03-04 15:11 Another setup v2.889 regression? Houder
  2018-03-04 16:58 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? additional information Houder
  2018-03-04 19:12 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? Again Houder
@ 2018-03-04 22:25 ` Jon Turney
  2018-03-05 12:50   ` Houder
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jon Turney @ 2018-03-04 22:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Cygwin Mailing List; +Cc: Houder

On 04/03/2018 15:11, Houder wrote:
> Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
> some testing of my own.

Thanks for reporting this.

> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install  cscope          15.8.0.1-2
> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase  cscope             15.8b-1
> 
>  From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:
> 
> curr: 15.8b-1
> prev: 15.8.0.1-2
> replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2
> 
> As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
> in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.
> 
> Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).

Yeah, this isn't working as expected. Time for a bigger hammer...

The previous version has been re-designated as 15.8a-2 (to match what it 
identifies itself as with 'cscope -V').

This should make setup update to the most recent version, while still 
allowing the previous version to be offered as installable...


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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...
  2018-03-04 19:46   ` Steven Penny
@ 2018-03-04 22:31     ` Brian Inglis
  2018-03-04 23:00       ` Steven Penny
  2018-03-05 21:05     ` Andrey Repin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Brian Inglis @ 2018-03-04 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On 2018-03-04 12:45, Steven Penny wrote:
> Hey, I think something is up with your mail client. I see you are using
> "XS4ALL Webmail" (not sure what that is). First you put a new thread here:

xs4all.nl was the 2nd public dial up ISP (q.v. Wikipedia); webmail is a generic
term for a www mail client, a convenient service from ISPs for mail access while
travelling, or as a standalone service e.g. gmail.

>  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-03/msg00038.html
> Then you replied to yourself here:
>  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-03/msg00042.html
> but your mail client is not prepending the subject with "Re: ", so it appears
> you started a 2nd thread. Then you replied to your original post again:
>  http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-03/msg00047.html
> and again no "Re: ". Whats even more maddening is that not only do your replies
> not have the "Re: ", but they dont even have the same subject:

My mail client shows everything properly threaded: some folks like clarifying
topics by modifying subjects; the additions are not substantial; the mail client
may be dropping the Re: when the subject is changed.

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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...
  2018-03-04 22:31     ` Brian Inglis
@ 2018-03-04 23:00       ` Steven Penny
  2018-03-05 17:05         ` Brian Inglis
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Steven Penny @ 2018-03-04 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:31:03, Brian Inglis wrote:
> webmail is a generic term for a www mail client, a convenient service from
> ISPs for mail access while travelling, or as a standalone service e.g. gmail.

hey troll, get back under the bridge.

> My mail client shows everything properly threaded: some folks like clarifying
> topics by modifying subjects; the additions are not substantial; the mail client
> may be dropping the Re: when the subject is changed.

on the contrary, your client is messed too. if you looks here [1], you will
notice that your client is incorrectly inserting UTF-8 replacement characters,
while my original message [3] has no such characters. perhaps your client cannot
handle UTF-8?

[1] http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin/get-raw-msg?listname=cygwin&date=2018-03&msgid=cc44f375-9856-11dd-37cb-e29661285148%40SystematicSw.ab.ca
[2] http://fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd
[3] http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin/get-raw-msg?listname=cygwin&date=2018-03&msgid=5a9c4cd4.712d9d0a.91fdb.111c%40mx.google.com


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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression?
  2018-03-04 22:25 ` Another setup v2.889 regression? Jon Turney
@ 2018-03-05 12:50   ` Houder
  2018-03-05 17:47     ` Jon Turney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Houder @ 2018-03-05 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On 2018-03-04 23:25, Jon Turney wrote:
> On 04/03/2018 15:11, Houder wrote:
>> Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
>> some testing of my own.
> 
> Thanks for reporting this.
> 
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install  cscope          15.8.0.1-2
>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase  cscope             15.8b-1
>> 
>>  From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:
>> 
>> curr: 15.8b-1
>> prev: 15.8.0.1-2
>> replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2
>> 
>> As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
>> in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.
>> 
>> Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).
> 
> Yeah, this isn't working as expected. Time for a bigger hammer...
> 
> The previous version has been re-designated as 15.8a-2 (to match what
> it identifies itself as with 'cscope -V').
> 
> This should make setup update to the most recent version, while still
> allowing the previous version to be offered as installable...

Uhm, bigger hammer ... you mean your modification will solve the problem
for cscope, but not for f.i. the *lz4* packages?

Henri

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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...
  2018-03-04 23:00       ` Steven Penny
@ 2018-03-05 17:05         ` Brian Inglis
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Brian Inglis @ 2018-03-05 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On 2018-03-04 15:59, Steven Penny wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:31:03, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> webmail is a generic term for a www mail client, a convenient service from
>> ISPs for mail access while travelling, or as a standalone service e.g. gmail.
> 
> hey troll, get back under the bridge.

You appeared to be unfamiliar with a long time well known global ISP, and the
commonly used term webmail. Most posters on this group try to be helpful to
others in this international forum, where many posters native language is not
English, although that may not be obvious, use Cygwin as a tool do do their job,
and may be unfamiliar with common conventions.

Changing subjects is merely a question of style, and as with other preferences
like editors, languages, cultures, etc., and beliefs like religion and politics,
should be reserved for forums where that is on topic, and if disagreed with,
done so with due consideration, without being disagreeable.

The troll is the person who disrupts the on topic technical problem discussion
with minor off topic nitpicks about clarifying additions to subjects, and those
changes causing issues with *their* mail client, that is not apparent to anyone
using a mail client which handles threads using message ids and references.

>> My mail client shows everything properly threaded: some folks like clarifying
>> topics by modifying subjects; the additions are not substantial; the mail client
>> may be dropping the Re: when the subject is changed.
> 
> on the contrary, your client is messed too. if you looks here [1], you will
> notice that your client is incorrectly inserting UTF-8 replacement characters,
> while my original message [3] has no such characters. perhaps your client cannot
> handle UTF-8?
> 
> [1]
> http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin/get-raw-msg?listname=cygwin&date=2018-03&msgid=cc44f375-9856-11dd-37cb-e29661285148%40SystematicSw.ab.ca
> 
> [3]
> http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin/get-raw-msg?listname=cygwin&date=2018-03&msgid=5a9c4cd4.712d9d0a.91fdb.111c%40mx.google.com

As I use a mail client, those characters are actually spaces in the raw
messages, however for rendering as HTML on Cygwin.com/sourceware.org web mailing
lists, for horizontal spacing the site uses standard Unicode \u00a0 ' ' no-break
space utf-8 \xc2 \xa0 character entity rendered as a space, but "raw text" does
not appear to be the original message content, but appears to convert the HTML
content to utf-8 regardless of the message encoding charset, resulting in
Unicode \ufffd '�' replacement character utf-8 \xef \xbf \xbd.

I have been using utf-8 character encodings for years to handle information from
my own and other cultures more transparently, replaced components which do not
support it with alternatives which do, and been annoyed at how long it has taken
to get only this far, pushing against those struggling to retain their small
proprietary markets rather than contest an open global market.

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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression?
  2018-03-05 12:50   ` Houder
@ 2018-03-05 17:47     ` Jon Turney
  2018-03-05 19:54       ` Houder
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Jon Turney @ 2018-03-05 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Houder, The Cygwin Mailing List

On 05/03/2018 12:50, Houder wrote:
> On 2018-03-04 23:25, Jon Turney wrote:
>> On 04/03/2018 15:11, Houder wrote:
>>> Because there are problems with setup v2.889, I decided to do
>>> some testing of my own.
>>
>> Thanks for reporting this.
>>
>>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20 Augmented Transaction List:
>>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    0 install  cscope          15.8.0.1-2
>>> 2018/03/04 15:35:20    1   erase  cscope             15.8b-1
>>>
>>>  From override.hint on the "Twente" mirror:
>>>
>>> curr: 15.8b-1
>>> prev: 15.8.0.1-2
>>> replace-versions: 15.8.0.1-2
>>>
>>> As far as understand, setup should attempt to install v15.8b1
>>> in case v15.8.0.1-2 is installed.
>>>
>>> Not the other way around. (currently v15.8b-1 in installed).
>>
>> Yeah, this isn't working as expected. Time for a bigger hammer...
>>
>> The previous version has been re-designated as 15.8a-2 (to match what
>> it identifies itself as with 'cscope -V').
>>
>> This should make setup update to the most recent version, while still
>> allowing the previous version to be offered as installable...
> 
> Uhm, bigger hammer ... you mean your modification will solve the problem
> for cscope, but not for f.i. the *lz4* packages?

Sigh.  I thought I had fixed lz4 [1], but apparently not, it suffers 
from the same class of problem (briefly, replace-versions: doesn't work 
on versions which are also offered for installation)

These are the only other packages which I am aware of which suffer from 
this specific problem, and I'm not sure I want to fix those in the same way.

If you think there are other package which have this problem can you 
please tell me what they are...

[1] https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-02/msg00306.html

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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression?
  2018-03-05 17:47     ` Jon Turney
@ 2018-03-05 19:54       ` Houder
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From: Houder @ 2018-03-05 19:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: cygwin

On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:16:37, Jon Turney wrote:
[snip]

> Sigh.  I thought I had fixed lz4 [1], but apparently not, it suffers 
> from the same class of problem (briefly, replace-versions: doesn't work 
> on versions which are also offered for installation)
> 
> These are the only other packages which I am aware of which suffer from 
> this specific problem, and I'm not sure I want to fix those in the same way.
> 
> If you think there are other package which have this problem can you 
> please tell me what they are...

As far as I _understand_ the issue, the *lz4* packages are the only ones left,
which present the same problem as cscope does

I glanced over setup.ini and compared the packages with "replace-version:" with
the entry for cscope ... Only the *lz4* packages stood out within that context.

Henri

> [1] https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-02/msg00306.html
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* Re: Another setup v2.889 regression? Again ...
  2018-03-04 19:46   ` Steven Penny
  2018-03-04 22:31     ` Brian Inglis
@ 2018-03-05 21:05     ` Andrey Repin
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Andrey Repin @ 2018-03-05 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Steven Penny, cygwin

Greetings, Steven Penny!

> but your mail client is not prepending the subject with "Re: ", so it appears
> you started a 2nd thread.

Please use sane mail client that understands References/In-Reply-To message headers.
Subject linking was frowned upon twenty years ago already.
How could you use it in 21'st century is beyond me.


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Sorry for my terrible english...


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