* Looking for explanation
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@ 2020-07-17 16:16 ` Robert McBroom
2020-07-17 16:27 ` Eliot Moss
2020-07-17 19:59 ` Marco Atzeri
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From: Robert McBroom @ 2020-07-17 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
Directory listing shows a number of new features that I don't remember
being introduced. I see s,t,+ etc. other than the expected wxr. Where
would I look for an explanation?
Robert McBroom
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* Re: Looking for explanation
2020-07-17 16:16 ` Looking for explanation Robert McBroom
@ 2020-07-17 16:27 ` Eliot Moss
2020-07-17 22:33 ` Robert McBroom
2020-07-17 19:59 ` Marco Atzeri
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eliot Moss @ 2020-07-17 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 7/17/2020 12:16 PM, Robert McBroom wrote:
> Directory listing shows a number of new features that I don't remember being introduced. I see
> s,t,+ etc. other than the expected wxr. Where would I look for an explanation?
Dear Robert:
s and t are usual from Posix and Cygwin tries to come as close to Posix as it can under Windows. s
is for setuid/setgid and t is the "sticky" bit. The + indicates that there
are more refined access modes present.
You might want to read up on ls, chmod, getfacl, etc.
What _can_ get funky and confusing is the mapping from Windows ACLs to what Cygwin
reports and Cygwin's manipulation of ACLs. There is online Cygwin documentation about that as well.
None of this is new. Maybe something changed the file permissions, and now they show up this way
for you? Not sure what your real question is ...
Best wishes - Eliot Moss
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* Re: Looking for explanation
2020-07-17 16:16 ` Looking for explanation Robert McBroom
2020-07-17 16:27 ` Eliot Moss
@ 2020-07-17 19:59 ` Marco Atzeri
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Marco Atzeri @ 2020-07-17 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 17.07.2020 18:16, Robert McBroom wrote:
> Directory listing shows a number of new features that I don't remember
> being introduced. I see s,t,+ etc. other than the expected wxr. Where
> would I look for an explanation?
>
> Robert McBroom
>
>
info ls
see ‘--format=long’ point at page
10.1.2 What information is listed
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* Re: Looking for explanation
2020-07-17 16:27 ` Eliot Moss
@ 2020-07-17 22:33 ` Robert McBroom
2020-07-17 22:52 ` Bob McGowan
2020-07-17 22:59 ` Eliot Moss
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robert McBroom @ 2020-07-17 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 7/17/20 12:27 PM, Eliot Moss wrote:
> On 7/17/2020 12:16 PM, Robert McBroom wrote:
> > Directory listing shows a number of new features that I don't
> remember being introduced.?? I see
> > s,t,+ etc. other than the expected wxr. Where would I look for an
> explanation?
>
> Dear Robert:
>
> s and t are usual from Posix and Cygwin tries to come as close to
> Posix as it can under Windows.?? s is for setuid/setgid and t is the
> "sticky" bit.?? The + indicates that there
> are more refined access modes present.
>
> You might want to read up on ls, chmod, getfacl, etc.
>
> What _can_ get funky and confusing is the mapping from Windows ACLs to
> what Cygwin
> reports and Cygwin's manipulation of ACLs.?? There is online Cygwin
> documentation about that as well.
>
> None of this is new.?? Maybe something changed the file permissions,
> and now they show up this way for you??? Not sure what your real
> question is ...
>
UNIX use predates posix. Don't see any of these designations on Fedora
even on ntfs file systems. Haven't dived into them because my objective
is to run scientific calculations, but curiosity got the better of me.
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* Re: Looking for explanation
2020-07-17 22:33 ` Robert McBroom
@ 2020-07-17 22:52 ` Bob McGowan
2020-07-17 22:59 ` Eliot Moss
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Bob McGowan @ 2020-07-17 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cygwin
On 7/17/20 3:33 PM, Robert McBroom wrote:
> On 7/17/20 12:27 PM, Eliot Moss wrote:
>> On 7/17/2020 12:16 PM, Robert McBroom wrote:
>> > Directory listing shows a number of new features that I don't
>> remember being introduced.?? I see
>> > s,t,+ etc. other than the expected wxr. Where would I look for an
>> explanation?
>>
>> Dear Robert:
>>
>> s and t are usual from Posix and Cygwin tries to come as close to
>> Posix as it can under Windows.?? s is for setuid/setgid and t is the
>> "sticky" bit.?? The + indicates that there
>> are more refined access modes present.
>>
>> You might want to read up on ls, chmod, getfacl, etc.
>>
>> What _can_ get funky and confusing is the mapping from Windows ACLs to
>> what Cygwin
>> reports and Cygwin's manipulation of ACLs.?? There is online Cygwin
>> documentation about that as well.
>>
>> None of this is new.?? Maybe something changed the file permissions,
>> and now they show up this way for you??? Not sure what your real
>> question is ...
>>
> UNIX use predates posix. Don't see any of these designations on Fedora
> even on ntfs file systems. Haven't dived into them because my objective
> is to run scientific calculations, but curiosity got the better of me.
>
> --
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Actually, the 's' and 't' designators predate POSIX.
I have an old Bell Laboratories "UNIX programmer's manual", copyright
1983, 1979 (for UNIX 7th Edition), and it mentions both the 's' and 't'
in the 'ls' man page.
Bob
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* Re: Looking for explanation
2020-07-17 22:33 ` Robert McBroom
2020-07-17 22:52 ` Bob McGowan
@ 2020-07-17 22:59 ` Eliot Moss
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eliot Moss @ 2020-07-17 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert McBroom; +Cc: cygwin
Those bits are all there onFedora as well. They’re pretty standard output from “ls -l”, for example. I suppose I could say that I am mystified that you’re mystified:-) ... but this is something that does go beyond the most casual command line use ...
Regards — EM
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 17, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Robert McBroom <mcforum@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> On 7/17/20 12:27 PM, Eliot Moss wrote:
>> On 7/17/2020 12:16 PM, Robert McBroom wrote:
>> > Directory listing shows a number of new features that I don't remember being introduced.?? I see
>> > s,t,+ etc. other than the expected wxr. Where would I look for an explanation?
>>
>> Dear Robert:
>>
>> s and t are usual from Posix and Cygwin tries to come as close to Posix as it can under Windows.?? s is for setuid/setgid and t is the "sticky" bit.?? The + indicates that there
>> are more refined access modes present.
>>
>> You might want to read up on ls, chmod, getfacl, etc.
>>
>> What _can_ get funky and confusing is the mapping from Windows ACLs to what Cygwin
>> reports and Cygwin's manipulation of ACLs.?? There is online Cygwin documentation about that as well.
>>
>> None of this is new.?? Maybe something changed the file permissions, and now they show up this way for you??? Not sure what your real question is ...
>>
> UNIX use predates posix. Don't see any of these designations on Fedora even on ntfs file systems. Haven't dived into them because my objective is to run scientific calculations, but curiosity got the better of me.
>
> --
> Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html
> FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/
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