Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[akshay chavan via cygwin]

Hi,
A newbie to Cygwin here. 
I have installed Cygwin on Windows 10. I have also installed the "nedit" editor as a package while installing cygwin, along with x-org server and other x-windows related stuff. When I open a cygwin console and type startxwin nedit, I get the following error message:
xinit: unable to run server "/usr/bin/XWin": No such file or directory
Use the -- option, or make sure that /usr/bin is in your path and
that "/usr/bin/XWin" is a program or a link to the right type of server
for your display.  Possible server names include:

    XWin        X Server for the Cygwin environment on Microsoft Windows
    Xvfb        Virtual frame buffer
    Xfake       kdrive-based virtual frame buffer
    Xnest       X server nested in a window on another X server
    Xephyr      kdrive-based nested X server
    Xvnc        X server accessed over VNC's RFB protocol
    Xdmx        Distributed Multi-head X server

xinit: giving up
xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
xinit: server error

What Am I doing wrong? I tried searching for solutions online but couldn't find any. Sorry if this is silly, because I am a newbie to Cygwin.
Thanks

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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[akshay chavan via cygwin]

 Hi,
I think I found out why I faced this problem. When downloading Cygwin, I had chosen "download without installing". This installed only the base package. Later, I followed the instructions at http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup.html#setup-cygwin-x-installing to install X server. I think this double installation created some problem.
I just deleted cygwin and reinstalled it. This time I chose, the "Install from internet" option. Surprisingly this time, it showed xorg-server in the "select packages" dialog (the previous time, it did not). So, I just followed the instructions exactly as given in http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup.html#setup-cygwin-x-installing and also installed nedit from the packages. 

After running "xinit nedit" from the Cygwin terminal, it runs fine!.
Thanks,Akshay

    On Saturday, February 9, 2019, 1:51:31 AM GMT+5:30, akshay chavan <akshay_chavan2003@yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi,
A newbie to Cygwin here. 
I have installed Cygwin on Windows 10. I have also installed the "nedit" editor as a package while installing cygwin, along with x-org server and other x-windows related stuff. When I open a cygwin console and type startxwin nedit, I get the following error message:
xinit: unable to run server "/usr/bin/XWin": No such file or directory
Use the -- option, or make sure that /usr/bin is in your path and
that "/usr/bin/XWin" is a program or a link to the right type of server
for your display.  Possible server names include:

    XWin        X Server for the Cygwin environment on Microsoft Windows
    Xvfb        Virtual frame buffer
    Xfake       kdrive-based virtual frame buffer
    Xnest       X server nested in a window on another X server
    Xephyr      kdrive-based nested X server
    Xvnc        X server accessed over VNC's RFB protocol
    Xdmx        Distributed Multi-head X server

xinit: giving up
xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
xinit: server error

What Am I doing wrong? I tried searching for solutions online but couldn't find any. Sorry if this is silly, because I am a newbie to Cygwin.
Thanks
  
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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, akshay chavan!

> I think I found out why I faced this problem. When downloading Cygwin, I
> had chosen "download without installing". This installed only the base
> package. Later, I followed the instructions at
> http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup.html#setup-cygwin-x-installing to install
> X server. I think this double installation created some problem.
> I just deleted cygwin and reinstalled it. This time I chose, the "Install
> from internet" option. Surprisingly this time, it showed xorg-server in the
> "select packages" dialog (the previous time, it did not). So, I just
> followed the instructions exactly as given in
> http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup.html#setup-cygwin-x-installing and also installed nedit from the packages.

When you run in "Install from local directory" mode, it will only show
packages present in the local cache. THAT was likely what happened to you.


P.S.
No top posting in this list, please.


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Saturday, February 9, 2019 16:34:30

Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[L A Walsh]

Coud you reconsider that, otherwise someone posting a README would
violate the rules, (for exampe) which has most recent changes
at the top and you can read down as far as you want, going back in
time.

Also, like your sentence, below, you put the category of your
"PS-no top posting" with the category first, then you
respond to the category by putting in what you are talking
about.

If a list is a conversational list where people think everyone
reads everything, then maybe chronological might be better, but
even many forums will show you the newer messages first.

If they show you the oldest ones 1st, they are usually least
relevant.

For me, when I look at my lilst of messages, the most recent ones
are near the top.  Otherwise to see recent messages, I would
need to scroll over 700 messages "down" to get to the most
current messages.

But if you put the oldest stuff at the top I would see
questions about the 2.11.2-0.1 Cygwin TEST RELEASE.

and your post about "Stumbled upon relative name resolution across
symlinks", --- of note, you are also using ".." in a path, which can be
confusting.

But each link in a path is resolved in its source directory as the
symbolic links are relative to where they start from.

Does that help or make sense, or should I have read through the next
700 messages to see if you found a solution to you situation.

Another thing to realize is ln -s src dest acts like copy.
The 1st path should be the one that already exists with the destination
getting the new link that would point to the pre-existing
copy.

Of course I also see the 'how to get pulse audio to work'
from Nov 02, where I asked:

Does it work for anyone?

On Win7SP1.

attached is cygcheck.out
thanks in-advance!...
but never got an answer....

-linda


But it could be very confusing if people always started at the 
beginning of their email and read downwards.

I had a support call with NCSoft's generic support folks for
Blade and Soul (they couldn't solve the problem as they only
were hired to do generic support -- not specifically for
the game).  They always want your reply and the newest stuff
at the top...but if you want to read the entire 90-page
log of the support case (over ~3 weeks), you could, but
only remembering that older stuff is below newer stuff.

I think you'll find that true for many professionals (lawyers
do it, as well as health professionals (like doctors)....etc.

That's why it is very surprising to see computer people treat
'email' as a "log" instead of like a chat w/history...

Anyway...I'm not so sure I see the benefit of starting to read
sometime in the past -- especially in the case of a 90
page support interaction.  Would you really want to read
90 pages before you started participating in a discussion?

Technical lists are not fiction books that are read for fun,
they are usually where people look to see if something 
applies by reading the first paragraph or two -- which wouldn't
be the most recent stuff, by far.

Cheers!


On 2/9/2019 5:36 AM, Andrey Repin wrote:
> P.S.
> No top posting in this list, please.
>   

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Posting etiquette: Was: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[Jack]

On 2/9/19 9:46 AM, L A Walsh wrote:
> If a list is a conversational list where people think everyone
> reads everything, then maybe chronological might be better, but
> even many forums will show you the newer messages first.
The behavior/display of a list of messages does not have to be the same 
as the behavior within each message.
> Does that help or make sense, or should I have read through the next
> 700 messages to see if you found a solution to you situation.
While I don't know of any forum that does threading, most email programs 
do, so replies to a request for help SHOULD be listed directly below it 
in most email programs.  (certainly true in (most of) the ones I use.)
> But it could be very confusing if people always started at the
> beginning of their email and read downwards.
Another part of the etiquette of bottom posting lists is to trim what 
you quote down to what you are answering/replying to. [Normally I would 
use ... or "snip" but here I think I've kept enough for context.]  What 
"I" find really annoying is those lists where people with post a reply, 
without quoting ANY of the original question - so you get messages like 
"Click the third link on that page." with no context.  That's possibly 
OK if you see it displayed right under the first message, but quite 
meaningless otherwise.  I agree that I don't want to scroll through 
pages of previously read stuff to see the new content, but if it's not 
relevant to the "current" message, why not trim it out?

You can manage long discussions by either having the entire history in 
one file/message, or by keeping the entire list of messages and keeping 
each message short and to the current point. In the first case, it may 
be easier to top-post new content, but then you have no reason to keep 
old messages, as long as nothing does get trimmed.  I think difficulties 
arise when mixing the two approaches, which is probably inevitable with 
email lists which get archived and even more so for cases like usenet, 
where you can either post or email.

I generally consider it as "local custom."  Some lists/forums want one, 
some want the other.  As long as it's made clear, why not follow the 
requested style?  (Another way to look at is as religion, which suggests 
there is little point trying to change people's minds.)

Jack

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Re: Posting Order (was: Getting error message...)

[Brian Inglis]

On 2019-02-09 07:46, L A Walsh wrote:
> That's why it is very surprising to see computer people treat
> 'email' as a "log" instead of like a chat w/history...

Logs can be displayed most recent first, as with directories or lists in most
products, and chats with history are in chronological order, so...

> Anyway...I'm not so sure I see the benefit of starting to read
> sometime in the past -- especially in the case of a 90
> page support interaction.  Would you really want to read
> 90 pages before you started participating in a discussion?
> 
> Technical lists are not fiction books that are read for fun,
> they are usually where people look to see if something 
> applies by reading the first paragraph or two -- which wouldn't
> be the most recent stuff, by far.
I expect top posting for corporate stuff, with explicit CC lists, mainly on one
corporate server, where nobody reads past the first sentence anyway, or trimming
the old cruft, so you had better repeat everything you need there, similar to
leaving voice mail messages.

I expect bottom posting and trimming for subscriber or volunteer groups like
this, to respect the time and effort of those doing the work, and reduce the
bandwidth distributed across the internet (or Usenet if gatewayed via NNTP - I
still have *LOW* limits on downloaded message size from fighting early spam
blasts there).

Neither group of recipients is going to bother with previous message content,
(unless they are a recent CC added to a long thread, and sometimes not then).

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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[Vince Rice]

> On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:46 AM, L A Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:
> 
> …
> 
> For me, …

What you think about this is irrelevant. What I think about this is
irrelevant. The only thoughts that matter are the ones of those who
manage the list, and they have said this is a "do not top post" list.
Others who say "do not top post here" aren't (necessarily) arguing
about which is better, they are stating list policy. Arguing with them
is pointless, because they didn't set the policy.

This list is a "do not top post" list. If you want to post here, then don't 
top post.
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Re: Posting Order (was: Getting error message...)

[bzs]

Whether one prefers top, bottom, or inline posting often has a lot to
do with the mail program they use.

And sometimes the actual context and whether or not it might be
confusing what is being responded to exactly. For example top or
bottom posting "yes" to a bunch of questions can be confusing, as can
"no".

For the record I tend to prefer top posting.

I can scroll down if I forgot what the thread is about or never read
it but when I do know it gives me an often useful response immediately
at the top like "a newer version of XYZ has fixed that bug". With luck
any context I needed is in the Subject: (XYZ crashes when...)

I normally use Emacs/VM to read my email which may have capabilities
which influences my preference.

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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[L A Walsh]

On 2/9/2019 11:06 AM, Vince Rice wrote:
>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:46 AM, L A Walsh <cygwin@tlinx.org> wrote:

> What you think about this is irrelevant.

    Not really.

> What I think about this is
> irrelevant. The only thoughts that matter are the ones of those who
> manage the list,
----
	But they only claim to represent the readership.


> and they have said this is a "do not top post" list.
---
	Oh?...I've talked to legal where this list is hosted, and
they know nothing about this being an official policy.


> Others who say "do not top post here" aren't (necessarily) arguing
> about which is better, they are stating list policy.
---
	They are repeating what they've heard from
others who told them who told them who did the same.

The claim is very often made that the policies are the choice
of the users/members.  But having been on many of these
lists for more than a decade, I know its not true.

Thus I'll always be sure to make my opinion known.



> This list is a "do not top post" list. If 
> you want to post here, then don't top post.  

I don't top or bottom post, as I trim my quotes.  That's what
people are supposed to do -- but no one does it, so they tell
them to be bottom-posters.

	If you didn't like my post, please note -- it was an
example of NOT top posting -- and not commenting on what is 
current, but commenting on stuff that is out of date (but
stuff that is still interesting, and perhaps not yet answered.

If you don't like that, don't argue with me, argue with the
supposed people you say are running this list.



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Re: Posting Order

[L A Walsh]

On 2/9/2019 3:02 PM, bzs@theworld.com wrote:
> For the record I tend to prefer top posting.
>   
----
    I only prefer it because most readers display the first
snippet of something.  I'd prefer full editing of quotes, but
if they can't do that, having the old stuff down off the bottom
of my window is most efficient as by looking at the first part
of a message I can get an idea of where the person is going and whether
to read on.


> I can scroll down if I forgot what the thread is about or never read
> it but when I do know it gives me an often useful response immediately
> at the top like "a newer version of XYZ has fixed that bug". With luck
> any context I needed is in the Subject: (XYZ crashes when...)
>
> I normally use Emacs/VM to read my email which may have capabilities
> which influences my preference.
>   
----
    I use tBird, but most using web browsers see the top of pages
first -- I know of no web browser that auto-scrolls to the bottom of
a web page.  

While most people do use web browsers to read email these days, you'd
think they'd prefer seeing what they are used to on the web -- newer
stuff and headlines at top.  Sometimes things just take a long time to
change -- but the original reasons for doing something 1 way may
change over time -- thus behaviors can change over time.

I try to bring it up occasionally, but never to correct someone who has
done it the other way -- but only in answer to those who have gone
out of their way to try to 'correct' the other person. 

I generally don't care how people post their messages that much, BUT,
I do care more about constantly seeing some message constantly repeatedly
sent which bothers me alot more than top bottom side or backwards posting.



To Jack, before -- if those people send me soemthing with everything
trimmed -- I have a threaded reader and can look back if I need to remind
myself.  Doesn't your threaded reader thread in spite of cuts -- usually
the threading is based on hidden portions of text  in the headers.



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Re: Posting Order

[L A Walsh]

On 2/9/2019 10:26 AM, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2019-02-09 07:46, L A Walsh wrote:
>   
>> That's why it is very surprising to see computer people treat
>> 'email' as a "log" instead of like a chat w/history...
>>     
>
> Logs can be displayed most recent first, -
>   
----
usually not without a special reader.  Especially not when they are
on paper. 

Even email - if printed out...if they only top posted, only would need
to print first page or so of text, but otherwise, need to print 50+pages
(like the
support incident from hell)....


>
> I expect bottom posting and trimming for subscriber or volunteer groups like
> this, to respect the time and effort of those doing the work, and reduce the
> bandwidth distributed across the internet (or U
But if they don't trim, you have to download all the old stuff before
you can read the new stuff.

Say you are reading over a 1200 baud serial line and have to page through
50K of previous text...

If they don't trim, top posting would be more efficient for your line usage.


> senet if gatewayed via NNTP - 
>   

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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[Vince Rice]

> On Feb 9, 2019, at 6:01 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
> 
> On 2/9/2019 11:06 AM, Vince Rice wrote:
>>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:46 AM, L A Walsh wrote:
> 
>> What you think about this is irrelevant.
> 
>    Not really.
Yes, really.

> 
>> What I think about this is
>> irrelevant. The only thoughts that matter are the ones of those who
>> manage the list,
> ----
> 	But they only claim to represent the readership.
Nope.

>> and they have said this is a "do not top post" list.
> ---
> 	Oh?...I've talked to legal where this list is hosted, and
> they know nothing about this being an official policy.
I'm not sure who "legal" is or what you think legal has to do with the
running of the list.


>> Others who say "do not top post here" aren't (necessarily) arguing
>> about which is better, they are stating list policy.
> ---
> 	They are repeating what they've heard from
> others who told them who told them who did the same.
No, they're stating list policy. That you want to argue that means you don't
know the list policy.

>> This list is a "do not top post" list. If 
>> you want to post here, then don't top post.  
> 
> I don't top or bottom post, as I trim my quotes.  That's what
> people are supposed to do -- but no one does it, so they tell
> them to be bottom-posters.

Trimming quotes has nothing to do with top or bottom posting.

> 	If you didn't like my post, …
Whether I like it or not is also irrelevant.
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Re: Posting Order

[Brian Inglis]

On 2019-02-09 17:36, L A Walsh wrote:
> On 2/9/2019 10:26 AM, Brian Inglis wrote:On 2019-02-09 17:36, L A Walsh wrote:> On 2/9/2019 10:26 AM, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> On 2019-02-09 07:46, L A Walsh wrote:
>>> That's why it is very surprising to see computer people treat
>>> 'email' as a "log" instead of like a chat w/history...
>> Logs can be displayed most recent first, -
> usually not without a special reader.  Especially not when they are
> on paper.

If commands don't support reversing content, can use tac, sort reverse date,
perhaps using sed or awk commands to rejoin lines: paper is easiest - you just
read from the end.

> Even email - if printed out...if they only top posted, only would need to
> print first page or so of text, but otherwise, need to print 50+pages (like
> the support incident from hell)...

Dump into editor to do your own trimming or summarizing and saving as notes.
Practice not handling or dirtying processed trees.

>> I expect bottom posting and trimming for subscriber or volunteer groups like
>> this, to respect the time and effort of those doing the work, and reduce the
>> bandwidth distributed across the internet (or U
> But if they don't trim, you have to download all the old stuff before you can
> read the new stuff.
> Say you are reading over a 1200 baud serial line and have to page through 50K
> of previous text...

I saw the sense of trimming netiquette when I had to do that, in the days of
offline mail and news readers, when you connected, uploaded your new content,
downloaded others new content, then disconnected, or some protocols did so on
your behalf, possibly overnight.

> If they don't trim, top posting would be more efficient for your line usage.
Some email clients can take advantage of that by trashing previous messages if
they match the dequoted suffix (sometimes also prefix) of new messages.

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Re: Getting error message when launching X-Window apps in Cygwin

[Corinna Vinschen]

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On Feb  9 18:43, Vince Rice wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 2019, at 6:01 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
> > 
> > On 2/9/2019 11:06 AM, Vince Rice wrote:
> >>> On Feb 9, 2019, at 8:46 AM, L A Walsh wrote:
> > 
> >> What you think about this is irrelevant.
> > 
> >    Not really.
> Yes, really.
> 
> > 
> >> What I think about this is
> >> irrelevant. The only thoughts that matter are the ones of those who
> >> manage the list,
> > ----
> > 	But they only claim to represent the readership.
> Nope.
> 
> >> and they have said this is a "do not top post" list.
> > ---
> > 	Oh?...I've talked to legal where this list is hosted, and
> > they know nothing about this being an official policy.
> I'm not sure who "legal" is or what you think legal has to do with the
> running of the list.

Indeed.  This mailing list is hosted on sourceware.org, which, to the
best of my knowledge, has no "legal" dept.

Please move this meta discussion over to cygwin-talk now.  It doesn't
belong here, nor does it have anything to do with the original thread
it hijacked, nor, FWIW, with Cygwin at all.


Thanks,
Corinna

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