Apologies for multiple messages (Please Help!)

Apologies for multiple messages (Please Help!)

[Herb Maeder]

Apologies to the list for getting the same message sent over and over to
the list from my account.  I can't yet explain what is happening, but I can 
assure you that I only sent the message once (and in no way differently
than my other posts to the list).

I've been on the phone with my ISP for the better part of the last 4 hours
trying to figure out what is going on, to no avail.  Messages keep getting
sent to the list, even though my account was deactivated and every process
connected with it killed.  Unsubscribing from the list didn't help either,
messages still got through.  Bottom line, I really don't know how I can 
stop the madness, so I need some help.

From the headers it seems to show my domain keeps sending the message to
sourceware.org, my ISP assures me that their maillog only shows the
message being sent once.

I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out what is going on.  Is there
any chance that the problem could be on the sourceware.org side of things?
I'm beginning to suspect that, but I cannot confirm.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but this type of thing has happened to
the list before, right?  I seem to remember it happening to someone else
a while back, but I cannot find it in the archives at the moment.

Can someone please tell me how best to get in touch with the list
administrator to try and figure out what is going on?  They contact me
directly at maeder-cygml AT maeder DOT org.  

Or at the bare minimum disable any more mail from my account to the list.
The list has been tortured enough....

Herb.


P.S.  I'm hoping like hell that this message doesn't loop...

P.P.S.  Here is what I'm seeing in the headers in case anyone can enlighten
        me as what is going on.


From message 1:
  Received: from maeder.org (HELO maeder.org) (192.220.73.146)     by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:43:33 +0000
  Received: (qmail 86029 invoked by uid 18834); 23 Oct 2008 20:43:31 -0000

From message 2:
  Received: from maeder.org (HELO maeder.org) (192.220.73.146)     by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:50:13 +0000
  Received: (qmail 86029 invoked by uid 18834); 23 Oct 2008 20:43:31 -0000

From message 3:
  Received: from maeder.org (HELO maeder.org) (192.220.73.146)     by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:10:13 +0000
  Received: (qmail 86029 invoked by uid 18834); 23 Oct 2008 20:43:31 -0000


The key thing to note is that the time stamp on the second line of each
message is exactly the same (i.e. I sent the message only once and it
fired off only one qmail pid).  The first line is when the message
subsequently gets received by sourceware.org, the timestamps for each new
message are different.

At first, it would appear that maeder.org is sending the message to
sourceware.org repeatedly.  But since the messsage must be coming from
sourceware.org, there is also the possibility that sourceware.org only
received the message once, but is passing the same message on at whacky 
7-40 minute intervals.  Having someone look at the mail logs on 
sourceware.org would certainly help.


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Re: Apologies for multiple messages (Please Help!)

[Herb Maeder]

On 28 Oct 2008 10:38:21 EDT, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >>Please correct me if I am wrong, but this type of thing has happened to
> >>the list before, right?  I seem to remember it happening to someone
> >>else a while back, but I cannot find it in the archives at the moment.
> >
> >Sure.  Not allot but it has happened before.  I think Chris usually
> >puts a block on things like this to stop it, if nothing else is
> >possible.
> 
> I do but I was on vacation (in Italy!) last week.  Someone eventually
> notified the overseers mailing list about this.  Someone there *should*
> have been able to block the messsages from arriving.  I don't know if
> that is what happened or if things were fixed on the sending end but
> sending email to either postmaster or overseers will contact the right
> people.

Neither postmaster nor overseers ever responded, AFAIK.

I think the sending end eventually gave up.  I got the bounce message
included at the end of this message, after which the duplicated messages
stopped.  I'm still not sure what was happening under the hood (on either
side) though.

One thing we suspect is that the lack of a Message-ID field in the header
reduces the ability of the receiving side to automatically stop posting
these duplicated messages to the list.

As such, making the Message-ID field a requirement for posting to the
cygwin mailing lists might not be a bad idea.  

FYI, over the last month, the only message that came in without the
Message-ID field (besides my own) was spam.

Herb.


From MAILER-DAEMON Fri Oct 24 21:44:33 2008
Return-Path: <>
Delivered-To: maeder-cygml AT maeder DOT org
Received: (qmail 71304 invoked for bounce); 24 Oct 2008 21:44:33 -0000
Date: 24 Oct 2008 21:44:33 -0000
From: MAILER-DAEMON AT bouncehost
To: maeder-cygml AT maeder DOT org
Subject: failure notice
Status: RO
X-Status: 
X-Keywords:                 
X-UID: 4208

Hi. This is the qmail-send program.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>:
Connected to 209.132.176.174 but connection died. Possible duplicate! (#4.4.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long.

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Re: Apologies for multiple messages (Please Help!)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:37:42PM -0400, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
> Herb Maeder wrote:
>>Apologies to the list for getting the same message sent over and over
>>to the list from my account.  I can't yet explain what is happening,
>>but I can assure you that I only sent the message once (and in no way
>>differently than my other posts to the list).
>
>When I first saw the message, I thought "This is great!" Around the 6th
>copy, I started to think otherwise.  ;-)
>
>>Please correct me if I am wrong, but this type of thing has happened to
>>the list before, right?  I seem to remember it happening to someone
>>else a while back, but I cannot find it in the archives at the moment.
>
>Sure.  Not allot but it has happened before.  I think Chris usually
>puts a block on things like this to stop it, if nothing else is
>possible.

I do but I was on vacation (in Italy!) last week.  Someone eventually
notified the overseers mailing list about this.  Someone there *should*
have been able to block the messsages from arriving.  I don't know if
that is what happened or if things were fixed on the sending end but
sending email to either postmaster or overseers will contact the right
people.

You can also hop on freenode and contact people on the #overseers
channel.

cgf

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Re: Apologies for multiple messages (Please Help!)

[Larry Hall (Cygwin)]

Herb Maeder wrote:
> Apologies to the list for getting the same message sent over and over to
> the list from my account.  I can't yet explain what is happening, but I can 
> assure you that I only sent the message once (and in no way differently
> than my other posts to the list).

When I first saw the message, I thought "This is great!"  Around the 6th
copy, I started to think otherwise. ;-)

> Please correct me if I am wrong, but this type of thing has happened to
> the list before, right?  I seem to remember it happening to someone else
> a while back, but I cannot find it in the archives at the moment.

Sure.  Not allot but it has happened before.  I think Chris usually puts
a block on things like this to stop it, if nothing else is possible.

> Can someone please tell me how best to get in touch with the list
> administrator to try and figure out what is going on?  They contact me
> directly at maeder-cygml AT maeder DOT org.  

I believe mail to postmaster is the recommended approach.  But we may be
past it now as it's been over an hour and no more copies. :-)

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A: Yes.
 > Q: Are you sure?
 >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
 >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

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