* [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 @ 2019-03-29 18:16 Yaakov Selkowitz 2019-03-29 18:28 ` Brian Inglis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-03-29 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin The following packages have been uploaded to the Cygwin distribution: * python38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 * python38-devel-3.8.0-0.2.a3 * python38-test-3.8.0-0.2.a3 * python38-tkinter-3.8.0-0.2.a3 * idle38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. It incorporates modules, exceptions, dynamic typing, very high level dynamic data types, and classes. Python combines remarkable power with very clear syntax. It has interfaces to many system calls and libraries, as well as to various window systems, and is extensible in C or C++. It is also usable as an extension language for applications that need a programmable interface. This is an update to the latest 3.8 Alpha 3 pre-release. -- Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-03-29 18:16 [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-03-29 18:28 ` Brian Inglis 2019-03-29 18:38 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2019-03-29 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2019-03-29 12:09, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > The following packages have been uploaded to the Cygwin distribution: > > * python38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > * python38-devel-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > * python38-test-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > * python38-tkinter-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > * idle38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming > language. It incorporates modules, exceptions, dynamic typing, very high > level dynamic data types, and classes. Python combines remarkable power > with very clear syntax. It has interfaces to many system calls and > libraries, as well as to various window systems, and is extensible in C > or C++. It is also usable as an extension language for applications that > need a programmable interface. > > This is an update to the latest 3.8 Alpha 3 pre-release. Should that be flagged as a test release? You said 3.7 will be the next default version. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-03-29 18:28 ` Brian Inglis @ 2019-03-29 18:38 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 2019-03-29 18:52 ` Brian Inglis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-03-29 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 12:27 -0600, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2019-03-29 12:09, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > The following packages have been uploaded to the Cygwin distribution: > > > > * python38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > * python38-devel-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > * python38-test-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > * python38-tkinter-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > * idle38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > > > Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming > > language. It incorporates modules, exceptions, dynamic typing, very high > > level dynamic data types, and classes. Python combines remarkable power > > with very clear syntax. It has interfaces to many system calls and > > libraries, as well as to various window systems, and is extensible in C > > or C++. It is also usable as an extension language for applications that > > need a programmable interface. > > > > This is an update to the latest 3.8 Alpha 3 pre-release. > > Should that be flagged as a test release? > You said 3.7 will be the next default version. As of a few weeks ago, each X.Y version of Python is parallel- installable. -- Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-03-29 18:38 ` Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-03-29 18:52 ` Brian Inglis 2019-03-29 19:03 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2019-03-29 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2019-03-29 12:38, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 12:27 -0600, Brian Inglis wrote: >> On 2019-03-29 12:09, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >>> The following packages have been uploaded to the Cygwin distribution: >>> * python38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 >>> * python38-devel-3.8.0-0.2.a3 >>> * python38-test-3.8.0-0.2.a3 >>> * python38-tkinter-3.8.0-0.2.a3 >>> * idle38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 >>> Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming >>> language. It incorporates modules, exceptions, dynamic typing, very high >>> level dynamic data types, and classes. Python combines remarkable power >>> with very clear syntax. It has interfaces to many system calls and >>> libraries, as well as to various window systems, and is extensible in C >>> or C++. It is also usable as an extension language for applications that >>> need a programmable interface. >>> This is an update to the latest 3.8 Alpha 3 pre-release. >> Should that be flagged as a test release? >> You said 3.7 will be the next default version. > As of a few weeks ago, each X.Y version of Python is parallel- > installable. So python3 will get upgrades, as will python38 and python37 for now, but what about python36 when python3 becomes python37? -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-03-29 18:52 ` Brian Inglis @ 2019-03-29 19:03 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 2019-05-07 11:33 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-03-29 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 12:51 -0600, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2019-03-29 12:38, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 12:27 -0600, Brian Inglis wrote: > > > On 2019-03-29 12:09, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > > > The following packages have been uploaded to the Cygwin distribution: > > > > * python38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > > > * python38-devel-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > > > * python38-test-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > > > * python38-tkinter-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > > > * idle38-3.8.0-0.2.a3 > > > > Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming > > > > language. It incorporates modules, exceptions, dynamic typing, very high > > > > level dynamic data types, and classes. Python combines remarkable power > > > > with very clear syntax. It has interfaces to many system calls and > > > > libraries, as well as to various window systems, and is extensible in C > > > > or C++. It is also usable as an extension language for applications that > > > > need a programmable interface. > > > > This is an update to the latest 3.8 Alpha 3 pre-release. > > > Should that be flagged as a test release? > > > You said 3.7 will be the next default version. > > As of a few weeks ago, each X.Y version of Python is parallel- > > installable. > > So python3 will get upgrades, as will python38 and python37 for now, but what > about python36 when python3 becomes python37? python3 is now just a bunch of symlinks to the default 3.y versions (currently 3.6). Each of python35, python36, python37, and python38 should continue to get updates for the duration of their upstream support (at least). However, I am neither building, nor encouraging others to build, most(*) modules for 3.5 (too old) or 3.8 (too new). Eventually we will probably stop building most(*) modules for 3.6 too, but not before the 3.7 transition is 100% complete, and more likely just before or as part of the eventual 3.8 transition (in 2020 at the earliest). [1] setuptools, pip, wheel, and virtualenv are being built for *all* versions, as they are pretty central to basic Python usage. -- Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-03-29 19:03 ` Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-05-07 11:33 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2019-05-07 15:06 ` Brian Inglis 2019-05-07 15:06 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2019-05-07 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2019-03-29, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > Eventually we will probably stop building most(*) modules for 3.6 too, > but not before the 3.7 transition is 100% complete, and more likely > just before or as part of the eventual 3.8 transition (in 2020 at the > earliest). After upgrade I haven't found rst2html utility from python3-docutils. Can't tell you apt-cyg or what caused a problem. I found it in python37-docutils-0.14-1: https://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi?grep=rst2html&arch=x86_64 Assuming that Python versions live in parallel now how should I upgrade on next major rebuild from 3.7 to 3.8, etc? My concern is that obsolete python37-docutils-0.14 should depends on new python38-docutils-0.xx for some period of time and after python37-docutils has been removed there won't be easy way path to migrate. Does that mean I need to keep syncing my Cygwin installation periodically? What is recommended period for upgrades? -- http://defun.work/ -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-05-07 11:33 ` Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2019-05-07 15:06 ` Brian Inglis 2019-05-07 15:06 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2019-05-07 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2019-05-07 05:33, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: > On 2019-03-29, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > >> Eventually we will probably stop building most(*) modules for 3.6 too, >> but not before the 3.7 transition is 100% complete, and more likely >> just before or as part of the eventual 3.8 transition (in 2020 at the >> earliest). > > After upgrade I haven't found rst2html utility from python3-docutils. Can't > tell you apt-cyg or what caused a problem. > > I found it in python37-docutils-0.14-1: > > https://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi?grep=rst2html&arch=x86_64 It is in the following packages, where python => python2 => python27, and python3 => python36. $ apt-cyg listall python*-docutils python-docutils 0.14-1 noarch python2-docutils 0.14-1 noarch python27-docutils 0.14-1 noarch python3-docutils 0.14-1 noarch python36-docutils 0.14-1 noarch python37-docutils 0.14-1 noarch > Assuming that Python versions live in parallel now how should I upgrade on > next major rebuild from 3.7 to 3.8, etc? > > My concern is that obsolete python37-docutils-0.14 should depends on new > python38-docutils-0.xx for some period of time and after python37-docutils has > been removed there won't be easy way path to migrate. > > Does that mean I need to keep syncing my Cygwin installation periodically? > What is recommended period for upgrades? Subscribe to cygwin-announce list, and any time security patches are made to any package you have installed, or valuable updates to python or other packages you depend on, download setup and upgrade everything. If you explicitly install releases like python36, python37, and/or python38 rather than python3-..., you will also have to install corresponding packages python3?-... as they become available, rather than waiting and getting all the updated modules, when the the python3 default gets updated from python36 to python37, and later to python38. For python and other collections of modules, maintainers will not update the default release for e.g. python3, from python36 to python37, until all Cygwin supported modules will build and pass test runs cleanly, or modules need to be dropped from Cygwin, because features used in new releases of the modules, require support of libraries which won't work under Cygwin. As Cygwin is a rolling release, package maintainers stay behind the bleeding edge to avoid breakage, as they often use those packages for work, and they may also support groups of users who do. If they are unsure of the reliability or stability of a new release, they will make it available as a test release for some time, before making that release current and upgradable by setup. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada This email may be disturbing to some readers as it contains too much technical detail. Reader discretion is advised. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] python38 3.8.0-0.2.a3 2019-05-07 11:33 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2019-05-07 15:06 ` Brian Inglis @ 2019-05-07 15:06 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2019-05-07 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Tue, 2019-05-07 at 14:33 +0300, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: > On 2019-03-29, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > Eventually we will probably stop building most(*) modules for 3.6 too, > > but not before the 3.7 transition is 100% complete, and more likely > > just before or as part of the eventual 3.8 transition (in 2020 at the > > earliest). > > After upgrade I haven't found rst2html utility from python3-docutils. Can't > tell you apt-cyg or what caused a problem. > > I found it in python37-docutils-0.14-1: > > https://cygwin.com/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi?grep=rst2html&arch=x86_64 > > Assuming that Python versions live in parallel now how should I upgrade on > next major rebuild from 3.7 to 3.8, etc? > > My concern is that obsolete python37-docutils-0.14 should depends on new > python38-docutils-0.xx for some period of time and after python37-docutils has > been removed there won't be easy way path to migrate. The command-line utilities will either be moved to the python38-* packages by then, or perhaps moved into separate unversioned packages. > Does that mean I need to keep syncing my Cygwin installation periodically? Of course, you should always keep your system updated. > What is recommended period for upgrades? Cygwin is a rolling release distribution, updates occur all the time. -- Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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