AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Schaible, Joerg]

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This would solve A LOT OF problems <vbg>

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Von: Corinna Vinschen [ mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com ]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2000 12:05
An: cygwin@cygwin.com
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: documentation archive


On Wednesday 20 December 2000 11:54, Schaible, Joerg wrote:
> 1.5) Don't use IE for download your files, it has the same behaviour!
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Earnie Boyd [ mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com ]
> 1) Don't use Netscape to download your files.
> 2) Don't use Winzip to explore a cygwin archive file.
> 3) The name of the file should be cygwin-docs.tar.gz

If all the favorite software is behaving so bad, we should suggest not
using a computer for download at all :-)

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Re: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Gerrit P. Haase]

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<20 Dec 2000, 12:35 Uhr wars, als Schaible, Joerg folgendes schrub:>
< AW: AW: AW: documentation archive >

I even got problems with pure ftp:-)

> This would solve A LOT OF problems <vbg>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Corinna Vinschen [ mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com ]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2000 12:05
> An: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: documentation archive
>
>
> On Wednesday 20 December 2000 11:54, Schaible, Joerg wrote:
> > 1.5) Don't use IE for download your files, it has the same behaviour!
> >
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Earnie Boyd [ mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com ]
> > 1) Don't use Netscape to download your files.
> > 2) Don't use Winzip to explore a cygwin archive file.
> > 3) The name of the file should be cygwin-docs.tar.gz
>
> If all the favorite software is behaving so bad, we should suggest not
> using a computer for download at all :-)
>
> Corinna
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Re: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Robert Collins]

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From: "Bernard Dautrevaux" <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com>
To: "'Earnie Boyd'" <earnie_boyd@yahoo.com>; "Larry Hall (RFK Partners,
Inc)" <lhall@rfk.com>; <cygwin@sources.redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Earnie Boyd [ mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 5:11 PM
> > To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc); cygwin@sources.redhat.com
> > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive
> >
> >
> Are you sure of that ? I was thinking that unrecognized files were always
> transfered as binary data and BTW, I'm not sure that IE5 has any knowledge
> of a '.gz' suffix :-)
>
> Note that as windows FTP client are concerned they effectively try to use
> the suffix to choose between binary and text format while UNIX clients
> ususally ALWAYS use text format unless explicitely directed to binary mode
> :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Bernard
>

Check out rfc 2616 - Ie 5.5 (possibly 5.0) supports content-encoding,
allowing it to download any file in a compressed format and decompress to
the users chosen filetype on arrival. So .tar.gz becomes .tar. However it is
at least slightly broken - it doesn't rename it (default will save as
.tar.gz still) and it should only decompress when the HTTP server send a
Content-Encoding header AND a different mime type header...

Rob


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RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Bernard Dautrevaux]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Earnie Boyd [ mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 5:11 PM
> To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc); cygwin@sources.redhat.com
> Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive
> 
> 
> --- "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" <lhall@rfk.com> wrote:
> > At 10:49 AM 12/20/2000, Earnie Boyd wrote:
> > >--- Bernard Dautrevaux <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com> wrote:
> > > > Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix 
> instead of .tar.gz" and
> > > > replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this 
> could be done almost
> > > > unambiguously (at least as long as package names do not 
> contain '-'):
> > > > 
> > >
> > >Yuck!!  Not worth it.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understand this reaction.  To be honest, I 
> think simple 
> > permutation in form that addresses the inevitable queries 
> to the list 
> > regarding the problem of name-mangling by browsers a "good 
> thing"(tm) (of 
> > course one could argue that the browsers need to be 
> fixed!;-)).  This idea 
> > seems to be focused toward that goal.  Logistics of making 
> this change aside,
> > 
> > is there a reason this would NOT be a good idea?  Just curious...
> > 
> 
> Yes, the browsers should be fixed and the most recent version 
> of Netscape
> Communicator doesn't mangle the names any more.  There are 
> other reasons
> besides name mangling, such as, file content mangling that 
> alwo happens.  If
> the browser doesn't understand the extention then it 
> downloads in text mode. 
> So, it's not worth changing the name.

Are you sure of that ? I was thinking that unrecognized files were always
transfered as binary data and BTW, I'm not sure that IE5 has any knowledge
of a '.gz' suffix :-)

Note that as windows FTP client are concerned they effectively try to use
the suffix to choose between binary and text format while UNIX clients
ususally ALWAYS use text format unless explicitely directed to binary mode
:-)

Regards,

	Bernard

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Tel:	+33 (0) 1 47 68 80 80
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RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Bernard Dautrevaux]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Earnie Boyd [ mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:49 PM
> To: Bernard Dautrevaux; 'gerrit.haase@t-online.de'; Corinna Vinschen
> Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive
> 
> 
> --- Bernard Dautrevaux <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com> wrote:
> > Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix instead of 
> .tar.gz" and
> > replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this could 
> be done almost
> > unambiguously (at least as long as package names do not 
> contain '-'):
> > 
> 
> Yuck!!  Not worth it.
> 
> > 
> > Thus all favorite download tools will be happy with th 
> efiles to download
> > (and we even can look at the content of it with winzip... I 
> know there is
> > problems with using winzip to install, although I don't 
> know which ones, but
> > looking at the archive content should be OK).
> > 
> 
> `tar -ztf foo.tar.gz | less' will list the contents of the 
> archive and allow
> you to page back and forth.  What more could you ask for?


Simple sorting options, just a click away, like sort by name, path, date of
modification etc, without always remembering in the fingers the exact set of
options to pass to sort to get the desired result :-)

Seriously, even if I LOVE the unix way of doing things, I must admit that
ckicking here and there on usual places to get often needed results is quite
convenient.

	Bernard

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Re: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Jari Aalto+list.cygwin]

* Wed 2000-12-20 Bernard Dautrevaux <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com> list.cygwin
* Message-Id: < 17B78BDF120BD411B70100500422FC6309E19E@IIS000 >
| Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix instead of .tar.gz" and

Thsi won't add anuthing, but break Windows winzip from recognizing
the files.

Please stick to .tar.gz

| replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this could be done almost

Absolutely not. The dots are standard notation.

Jari


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RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Earnie Boyd]

--- "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" <lhall@rfk.com> wrote:
> At 10:49 AM 12/20/2000, Earnie Boyd wrote:
> >--- Bernard Dautrevaux <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com> wrote:
> > > Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix instead of .tar.gz" and
> > > replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this could be done almost
> > > unambiguously (at least as long as package names do not contain '-'):
> > > 
> >
> >Yuck!!  Not worth it.
> 
> 
> I'm not sure I understand this reaction.  To be honest, I think simple 
> permutation in form that addresses the inevitable queries to the list 
> regarding the problem of name-mangling by browsers a "good thing"(tm) (of 
> course one could argue that the browsers need to be fixed!;-)).  This idea 
> seems to be focused toward that goal.  Logistics of making this change aside,
> 
> is there a reason this would NOT be a good idea?  Just curious...
> 

Yes, the browsers should be fixed and the most recent version of Netscape
Communicator doesn't mangle the names any more.  There are other reasons
besides name mangling, such as, file content mangling that alwo happens.  If
the browser doesn't understand the extention then it downloads in text mode. 
So, it's not worth changing the name.

Cheers,

=====
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mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com

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RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 10:49 AM 12/20/2000, Earnie Boyd wrote:
>--- Bernard Dautrevaux <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com> wrote:
> > Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix instead of .tar.gz" and
> > replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this could be done almost
> > unambiguously (at least as long as package names do not contain '-'):
> > 
>
>Yuck!!  Not worth it.


I'm not sure I understand this reaction.  To be honest, I think simple 
permutation in form that addresses the inevitable queries to the list 
regarding the problem of name-mangling by browsers a "good thing"(tm) (of 
course one could argue that the browsers need to be fixed!;-)).  This idea 
seems to be focused toward that goal.  Logistics of making this change aside, 
is there a reason this would NOT be a good idea?  Just curious...


Larry



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RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Earnie Boyd]

--- Bernard Dautrevaux <Dautrevaux@microprocess.com> wrote:
> Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix instead of .tar.gz" and
> replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this could be done almost
> unambiguously (at least as long as package names do not contain '-'):
> 

Yuck!!  Not worth it.

> 
> Thus all favorite download tools will be happy with th efiles to download
> (and we even can look at the content of it with winzip... I know there is
> problems with using winzip to install, although I don't know which ones, but
> looking at the archive content should be OK).
> 

`tar -ztf foo.tar.gz | less' will list the contents of the archive and allow
you to page back and forth.  What more could you ask for?

Cheers,

=====
Earnie Boyd
mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com

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RE: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive

[Bernard Dautrevaux]

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Why not switch to the quite common ".tgz" suffix instead of .tar.gz" and
replace dots in release numbers by underscores? this could be done almost
unambiguously (at least as long as package names do not contain '-'):

<package>-<version>-<port-level>.tar.gz 
	becomes <package>-`echo <release> | tr '.' '_'>-<port-level>.tgz

<package>-<version>-<port-level>.src.tar.gz 
	becomes <package>-`echo <release> | tr '.' '_'>-<port-level>-src.tgz

Thus all favorite download tools will be happy with th efiles to download
(and we even can look at the content of it with winzip... I know there is
problems with using winzip to install, although I don't know which ones, but
looking at the archive content should be OK).

Just a thought

	Bernard 
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FRANCE
Tel:	+33 (0) 1 47 68 80 80
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerrit P. Haase [ mailto:gerrit.haase@t-online.de ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:26 PM
> To: Corinna Vinschen
> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: documentation archive
> 
> 
> <20 Dec 2000, 12:35 Uhr wars, als Schaible, Joerg folgendes schrub:>
> < AW: AW: AW: documentation archive >
> 
> I even got problems with pure ftp:-)
> 
> > This would solve A LOT OF problems <vbg>
> > 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Corinna Vinschen [ mailto:cygwin@cygwin.com ]
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2000 12:05
> > An: cygwin@cygwin.com
> > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: documentation archive
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday 20 December 2000 11:54, Schaible, Joerg wrote:
> > > 1.5) Don't use IE for download your files, it has the 
> same behaviour!
> > >
> > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Earnie Boyd [ mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com ]
> > > 1) Don't use Netscape to download your files.
> > > 2) Don't use Winzip to explore a cygwin archive file.
> > > 3) The name of the file should be cygwin-docs.tar.gz
> > 
> > If all the favorite software is behaving so bad, we should 
> suggest not
> > using a computer for download at all :-)
> > 
> > Corinna
> > 
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