Symbolic links.

Symbolic links.

[Jens Yllman]

  Hi,

  setup.exe uses the old symbolic links when it installs packages. Is this 
realy correct?

  Then I noticed some talk about .lnk here on the list. .lnk files created 
from windows may contain alot more information then a .lnk file created by 
cygwin as a symbolic link.

  I think that a .lnk file created by windows can not be treated as a 
symbolic link in cygwin. At least not in the archiving sence.

  You might say that why archive windows files with a UNIX tool? At the 
moment I'm spending alot of time trying to make may programs compile with 
both Borland C++, Visual C++ and gcc. And those project may contain .lnk 
files that are not symbolic links in the cygwin sence. And should be 
presesrved when archived.

  So using the .lnk for symbolic links may be a bad choose. Using a 
fileformat that can contain/handle more then one thing is not a good thing 
if used in a system for only one thing.

  These are just my thougts. I've not read through all the posts on this 
list. So I might state something that is already clear.

  Jens Yllman



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Re: Symbolic Links

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Dec 15 21:58, Elliott Wilcoxon wrote:
> NTFS also supports hard links, and there's a program that comes with 
> Windows that lets you make them (searching WinXP Pro's Help and Support 
> Center for 'hardlink' gives the relevant entries).  The result would 
> then be that it would work in both Cygwin and Windows (all programs), 
> although it can be confusing if you're not used to thinking of file 
> system-y stuff.

Hardlinks don't work for directories, only for files.

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Re: Symbolic Links

[Elliott Wilcoxon]

NTFS also supports hard links, and there's a program that comes with 
Windows that lets you make them (searching WinXP Pro's Help and Support 
Center for 'hardlink' gives the relevant entries).  The result would 
then be that it would work in both Cygwin and Windows (all programs), 
although it can be confusing if you're not used to thinking of file 
system-y stuff.

Elliott Wilcoxon

Brian Dessent wrote:

> Dan Adams wrote:
> 
>>My question was, is there any way to use the cygwin links, not the windows
>>ones, to also be able to work in the open dialog box in MS Office products
>>like excel for example. As I said, it is working in windows explorer. The
>>only reason why I was mentioning about the windows links is because they
>>were working in excel and I figured it would be a good example.
> 
> 
> If your filesystem is NTFS (and $deity hope it is, as FAT32 hurts like
> something awful) then you can try fooling around with its built in
> symbolic links, which are called junctions in the parlance.  There are
> no built-in tools to do this but the venerable Mark Russinovich again
> comes to the rescue with his freeware: 
> 
> from <http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/misc.shtml#junction>:
> 
> Junction
> 
> Win2K's version of NTFS supports directory symbolic links, where a
> directory serves as a symbolic link to another directory on the
> computer. For example, if the directory D:\SYMLINK specified
> C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32 as its target, then an application accessing
> D:\SYMLINK\DRIVERS would in reality be accessing
> C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS. Directory symbolic links are known as NTFS
> junctions in Win2K. Unfortunately, Win2K comes with no tools for
> creating junctions - you have to purchase the Win2K Resource Kit, which
> comes the linkd program for creating junctions. I therefore decided to
> write my own junction-creating tool: Junction. Junction not only allows
> you to create NTFS junctions, it allows you to see if files or
> directories are actually reparse points. Reparse points are the
> mechanism on which NTFS junctions are based, and they are used by
> Win2K's Remote Storage Service (RSS), as well as volume mount points. 
> 
> If you want to view reparse information, the usage for Junction is the
> following: 
> 
> Usage: junction [-s] <directory or file name> 
> 
> -s	Recurse subdirectories. 
> 
> If you want to create or delete a junction, use Junction like this: 
> 
> Usage: junction [-d] <junction directory> [<junction target>] 
> 
> To delete a junction specify the -d switch and the junction name. 
> 
> Download Junction (16KB) 
> 
> Download Junction Source (22 KB) 
> 
> 
> I have not tried this but it sounds like it might be helpful for you.  I
> have no idea how Cygwin would interact with one of these, but since it's
> layered on top of Windows' kernel NTFS driver I would expect that it
> would treat them just as any other app would, i.e. do the right thing.
> 
> Brian
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Re: Symbolic Links

[Brian Dessent]

Dan Adams wrote:
> 
> My question was, is there any way to use the cygwin links, not the windows
> ones, to also be able to work in the open dialog box in MS Office products
> like excel for example. As I said, it is working in windows explorer. The
> only reason why I was mentioning about the windows links is because they
> were working in excel and I figured it would be a good example.

If your filesystem is NTFS (and $deity hope it is, as FAT32 hurts like
something awful) then you can try fooling around with its built in
symbolic links, which are called junctions in the parlance.  There are
no built-in tools to do this but the venerable Mark Russinovich again
comes to the rescue with his freeware: 

from <http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/misc.shtml#junction>:

Junction

Win2K's version of NTFS supports directory symbolic links, where a
directory serves as a symbolic link to another directory on the
computer. For example, if the directory D:\SYMLINK specified
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32 as its target, then an application accessing
D:\SYMLINK\DRIVERS would in reality be accessing
C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS. Directory symbolic links are known as NTFS
junctions in Win2K. Unfortunately, Win2K comes with no tools for
creating junctions - you have to purchase the Win2K Resource Kit, which
comes the linkd program for creating junctions. I therefore decided to
write my own junction-creating tool: Junction. Junction not only allows
you to create NTFS junctions, it allows you to see if files or
directories are actually reparse points. Reparse points are the
mechanism on which NTFS junctions are based, and they are used by
Win2K's Remote Storage Service (RSS), as well as volume mount points. 

If you want to view reparse information, the usage for Junction is the
following: 

Usage: junction [-s] <directory or file name> 

-s	Recurse subdirectories. 

If you want to create or delete a junction, use Junction like this: 

Usage: junction [-d] <junction directory> [<junction target>] 

To delete a junction specify the -d switch and the junction name. 

Download Junction (16KB) 

Download Junction Source (22 KB) 
>>

I have not tried this but it sounds like it might be helpful for you.  I
have no idea how Cygwin would interact with one of these, but since it's
layered on top of Windows' kernel NTFS driver I would expect that it
would treat them just as any other app would, i.e. do the right thing.

Brian

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Re: Symbolic Links

[Dan Adams]

My question was, is there any way to use the cygwin links, not the windows
ones, to also be able to work in the open dialog box in MS Office products
like excel for example. As I said, it is working in windows explorer. The
only reason why I was mentioning about the windows links is because they
were working in excel and I figured it would be a good example.

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"Christopher Faylor" <cgf-no-personal-reply-please@cygwin.com> wrote in
message news:20031215201959.GA25326@redhat.com...
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:16:16PM -0700, Dan Adams wrote:
> >When I try to use a windows shortcut file in cygwin it doesn't seem to
work.
>
> Correct.  It is not supposed to work.  Cygwin understands cygwin
shortcuts.
> Windows understand windows and cygwin shortcuts.
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Re: Symbolic Links

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 01:16:16PM -0700, Dan Adams wrote:
>When I try to use a windows shortcut file in cygwin it doesn't seem to work.

Correct.  It is not supposed to work.  Cygwin understands cygwin shortcuts.
Windows understand windows and cygwin shortcuts.
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Re: Symbolic Links

[Dan Adams]

When I try to use a windows shortcut file in cygwin it doesn't seem to work.
In the example that I tried, misc.lnk is the name of the shortcut from
windows.

dan@dan-infochi ~/Finance>ls
Auto.xls    Copy of Daniel Adams.mny  Financial Plan.doc      Insurance
Inventory.doc  Stock Stats.xls  stock.xls
Bills.xls   Daniel Adams.mny          Fraud Hotline 1800.doc  Misc.lnk
other
Checks.xls  Distribution.xls          History.xls             Paychecks.xls
personal.mdb
dan@dan-infochi ~/Finance>cd Misc.lnk
Misc.lnk: Not a directory.

That is the attempt I did, with the output. Do I need to do something
specific to get this to work?

Dan

"Paul Kraus" <pkraus@pelsupply.com> wrote in message
news:001601c3c343$c6a2d090$39fea8c0@pkraus...
> I have not tested this but per the docs on cygwin site the new version
> does follow windows shortcut link files.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com
> > [mailto:cygwin-owner@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Dan Adams
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:39 PM
> > To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> > Subject: Re: Symbolic Links
> >
> >
> > Part of the reason I am interested in this, I guess I forgot
> > to say is to be able to have both Windows and Cygwin
> > recognize the links. If I use the windows shortcut creation,
> > cygwin doesn't recognize it. If I use the cygwin thing below,
> > excel doesn't recognize it, but windows does.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > "Dan Adams" <dan@infochi.com> wrote in message
> > news:brl2a7$6uc$1@sea.gmane.org...
> > > Hi, I have been using the symbolic links feature of cygwin to link
> > > from
> > one
> > > folder to another in my system. I know that is not a big beneficial
> > > use of cygwin, but it is one that adds to the benefit of cygwin. I
> > > also use
> > cygwin
> > > for other stuff.
> > >
> > > I was wondering, does anyone know is something specific is
> > needed to
> > > be
> > able
> > > to link from one folder to another, for example I am linking from
> > > C:\My Documents to D:\Finance in a link file called other. Honestly
> > > this works
> > in
> > > the file manager part of windows explorer, one desire I
> > have ot this
> > > would be to be able to use this in Microsoft Excel by
> > clicking on the
> > > "My Documents" link on the left side and then by opening the folder
> > > called "other" in the file list. The only problem with this
> > is that by
> > > using the command "ln -s "D:\Finance" other" does not
> > actually let the
> > > folder show
> > up
> > > in excel. Is this possible, or is this maybe a future feature that
> > > will be implemented? If it is in the feature, I know I would
> > > appreciate the
> > ability.
> > >
> > > Dan Adams - dan@infochi.com
> > > http://www.infochi.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Symbolic Links

[Paul Kraus]

I have not tested this but per the docs on cygwin site the new version
does follow windows shortcut link files.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com 
> [mailto:cygwin-owner@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Dan Adams
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:39 PM
> To: cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: Re: Symbolic Links
> 
> 
> Part of the reason I am interested in this, I guess I forgot 
> to say is to be able to have both Windows and Cygwin 
> recognize the links. If I use the windows shortcut creation, 
> cygwin doesn't recognize it. If I use the cygwin thing below, 
> excel doesn't recognize it, but windows does.
> 
> Dan
> 
> "Dan Adams" <dan@infochi.com> wrote in message 
> news:brl2a7$6uc$1@sea.gmane.org...
> > Hi, I have been using the symbolic links feature of cygwin to link 
> > from
> one
> > folder to another in my system. I know that is not a big beneficial 
> > use of cygwin, but it is one that adds to the benefit of cygwin. I 
> > also use
> cygwin
> > for other stuff.
> >
> > I was wondering, does anyone know is something specific is 
> needed to 
> > be
> able
> > to link from one folder to another, for example I am linking from 
> > C:\My Documents to D:\Finance in a link file called other. Honestly 
> > this works
> in
> > the file manager part of windows explorer, one desire I 
> have ot this 
> > would be to be able to use this in Microsoft Excel by 
> clicking on the 
> > "My Documents" link on the left side and then by opening the folder 
> > called "other" in the file list. The only problem with this 
> is that by 
> > using the command "ln -s "D:\Finance" other" does not 
> actually let the 
> > folder show
> up
> > in excel. Is this possible, or is this maybe a future feature that 
> > will be implemented? If it is in the feature, I know I would 
> > appreciate the
> ability.
> >
> > Dan Adams - dan@infochi.com
> > http://www.infochi.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Symbolic Links

[Dan Adams]

Part of the reason I am interested in this, I guess I forgot to say is to be
able to have both Windows and Cygwin recognize the links. If I use the
windows shortcut creation, cygwin doesn't recognize it. If I use the cygwin
thing below, excel doesn't recognize it, but windows does.

Dan

"Dan Adams" <dan@infochi.com> wrote in message
news:brl2a7$6uc$1@sea.gmane.org...
> Hi, I have been using the symbolic links feature of cygwin to link from
one
> folder to another in my system. I know that is not a big beneficial use of
> cygwin, but it is one that adds to the benefit of cygwin. I also use
cygwin
> for other stuff.
>
> I was wondering, does anyone know is something specific is needed to be
able
> to link from one folder to another, for example I am linking from C:\My
> Documents to D:\Finance in a link file called other. Honestly this works
in
> the file manager part of windows explorer, one desire I have ot this would
> be to be able to use this in Microsoft Excel by clicking on the "My
> Documents" link on the left side and then by opening the folder called
> "other" in the file list. The only problem with this is that by using the
> command "ln -s "D:\Finance" other" does not actually let the folder show
up
> in excel. Is this possible, or is this maybe a future feature that will be
> implemented? If it is in the feature, I know I would appreciate the
ability.
>
> Dan Adams - dan@infochi.com
> http://www.infochi.com
>
>
>
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Symbolic Links

[Dan Adams]

Hi, I have been using the symbolic links feature of cygwin to link from one
folder to another in my system. I know that is not a big beneficial use of
cygwin, but it is one that adds to the benefit of cygwin. I also use cygwin
for other stuff.

I was wondering, does anyone know is something specific is needed to be able
to link from one folder to another, for example I am linking from C:\My
Documents to D:\Finance in a link file called other. Honestly this works in
the file manager part of windows explorer, one desire I have ot this would
be to be able to use this in Microsoft Excel by clicking on the "My
Documents" link on the left side and then by opening the folder called
"other" in the file list. The only problem with this is that by using the
command "ln -s "D:\Finance" other" does not actually let the folder show up
in excel. Is this possible, or is this maybe a future feature that will be
implemented? If it is in the feature, I know I would appreciate the ability.

Dan Adams - dan@infochi.com
http://www.infochi.com




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Symbolic Links

[Sean Pollack]

Hi,

I just check to make sure I have the latest version of Cygwin and I do
(1.3?) and I was trying to test symbolic links and couldn't get it to work.

put
set CYGWIN=binmode notty ntsec winsymlinks

into my bat file and ran a new shell.

Tried to create a symbolic link within Cygwin and use it with windows.
Tried the other way around too and no workey.

Did I miss something?

Thanks,
Sean

winNT sp6


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Re: Symbolic links

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 11:32 AM 1/27/2001, David A. Cobb wrote:
>Is it, in principle, possible to use Windows "shortcuts" with the same
>semantics
>as Symlinks?  Meaning, to have cygwindll parse the shortcut xxx.lnk file
>and
>do the linking?



Theoretically.  It may be harder than it looks however.  Certainly, if the
number of times this has been "suggested" but no implementation has ever 
been offered is an indication, it's either harder to do than one would think
or far less interesting in practice than theory.

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Symbolic links

[David A. Cobb]

Is it, in principle, possible to use Windows "shortcuts" with the same
semantics
as Symlinks?  Meaning, to have cygwindll parse the shortcut xxx.lnk file
and
do the linking?

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Re: Symbolic links

[Earnie Boyd]

--- David Starks-Browning <starksb@ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> I'm surprised to see there is no obvious answer to this in the
> FAQ.  I'll try to add something.
> 

That's because it's not been a Frequently Asked Question.

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Re: Symbolic links

[David Starks-Browning]

I'm surprised to see there is no obvious answer to this in the
FAQ.  I'll try to add something.

David

On Thursday 27 Jul 00, Corinna Vinschen writes:
> Mathis Severin wrote:
> > 
> > Hello
> > 
> > Environment: cygwin 1.1.2 on NT 4.0
> > 
> > I created a symbolic link to a file (ln -s /someDir/someFile someFile).
> > Now I would like to open this file using for example notepad
> > (notepad someFile). Instead of opening the file someFile, the file
> > containing the link description is displayed in notepad. Is this the
> > expected behaviour? Can this be changed by some settings?
> > 
> > A similar behaviour I get when trying to open a file on a mounted
> > directory. For example trying to open the file /someFile
> > (notepad /someFile), where / is mounted to c:\cygnus. This gives the
> > error: 'Cannot open the /someFile file'.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help.
> 
> Neither symbolic links nor mount points created with Cygwin are
> transparent to native Windows applications. Better use a Cygwin
> compiled vim or similar...
> 
> Corinna
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Re: Symbolic links

[Earnie Boyd]

Symbolic links are a Cygwin creation and can only be understood by Cygwin
programs.  If you open the symbolic link with anything other than a Cygwin
program you will see the magic string that makes it possible.

Cheers,
Earnie.
--- Mathis Severin <Severin.Mathis@swisslife.ch> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Environment: cygwin 1.1.2 on NT 4.0
> 
> I created a symbolic link to a file (ln -s /someDir/someFile someFile). 
> Now I would like to open this file using for example notepad 
> (notepad someFile). Instead of opening the file someFile, the file 
> containing the link description is displayed in notepad. Is this the 
> expected behaviour? Can this be changed by some settings?
> 
> A similar behaviour I get when trying to open a file on a mounted 
> directory. For example trying to open the file /someFile 
> (notepad /someFile), where / is mounted to c:\cygnus. This gives the
> error: 'Cannot open the /someFile file'.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
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Re: Symbolic links

[Corinna Vinschen]

Mathis Severin wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> Environment: cygwin 1.1.2 on NT 4.0
> 
> I created a symbolic link to a file (ln -s /someDir/someFile someFile).
> Now I would like to open this file using for example notepad
> (notepad someFile). Instead of opening the file someFile, the file
> containing the link description is displayed in notepad. Is this the
> expected behaviour? Can this be changed by some settings?
> 
> A similar behaviour I get when trying to open a file on a mounted
> directory. For example trying to open the file /someFile
> (notepad /someFile), where / is mounted to c:\cygnus. This gives the
> error: 'Cannot open the /someFile file'.
> 
> Thanks for your help.

Neither symbolic links nor mount points created with Cygwin are
transparent to native Windows applications. Better use a Cygwin
compiled vim or similar...

Corinna

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Symbolic links

[Mathis Severin]

Hello

Environment: cygwin 1.1.2 on NT 4.0

I created a symbolic link to a file (ln -s /someDir/someFile someFile). 
Now I would like to open this file using for example notepad 
(notepad someFile). Instead of opening the file someFile, the file 
containing the link description is displayed in notepad. Is this the 
expected behaviour? Can this be changed by some settings?

A similar behaviour I get when trying to open a file on a mounted 
directory. For example trying to open the file /someFile 
(notepad /someFile), where / is mounted to c:\cygnus. This gives the
error: 'Cannot open the /someFile file'.

Thanks for your help.

Severin Mathis


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Re: symbolic links

[Geoffrey Noer]

Basim Kadhim wrote:
> 
> The FAQ indicates that you can't execute a link or follow it as a directory.
> Is this going to continue to be the case or is it the intention that this
> will eventually change?
[...]

It'll continue to be the case until we fix this or until someone sends us a
patch we can use.  This is something we intend to fix eventually.

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Re: symbolic links

[Larry Hall]

At 10:57 AM 3/7/97 -0700, Basim Kadhim wrote:
>The FAQ indicates that you can't execute a link or follow it as a directory.
>Is this going to continue to be the case or is it the intention that this
>will eventually change?
>
>We have tried porting the Eli compiler construction system to NT using the
>toolset.  The major stumbling block appears to be the problems with
>symbolic links.
>
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There's a patch available from 
http://wwwdim.uqac.uquebec.ca/ftp/pub/gnuwin32/patches/ that is supposed to 
fix this problem, if you want to build it.  I haven't tried it yet
myself....

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symbolic links

[Basim Kadhim]

The FAQ indicates that you can't execute a link or follow it as a directory.
Is this going to continue to be the case or is it the intention that this
will eventually change?

We have tried porting the Eli compiler construction system to NT using the
toolset.  The major stumbling block appears to be the problems with
symbolic links.

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