Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Axel Boldt]

I think that a shortcut to something like

  run rxvt -e C:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
  (or putting the call to rxvt into cygwin.bat)

would be preferable to the current command.com /c cygwin.bat shortcut
because:

   * rxvt has scrollbars
   * rxvt allows for decent cut and paste
   * rxvt allows resizing of the window

Rxvt's current standard font should be changed however since it
doesn't distinguish between 1 and l.

The only disadvantage I can see is that rxvt is not as familiar
as command.com to people new to Unix. But those people are in
trouble anyway :-)

Axel

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Re: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Randall R Schulz]

Axel,

Here's the shortcut I use to launch rxvt:

...\bin\rxvt.exe -g 120x99+732+0 -bg #000055 -fg #eeeeee -fn "Lucida 
Console-11" -sr -sl 5000 -vb -e /bin/bash --login -i

Lucida Console makes the 1 / l (one / ell) distinction quite clear.

I use the visual bell (-vb) option with rxvt since sending an ASCII BEL / 
007 / ^G to an rxvt window does not generate any sound (on my system).

This is the shortcut I use to launch a console window:

...\cygwin\bin\bash.exe --login -i

In this case, since the target is a console application, not a GUI one, the 
font, colors and window size are set in the appropriate tabs of the 
shortcut Properties dialog. The built-in system speaker (not my sound card) 
produces a beep when a BEL is output.

I can see no reason to involve CMD or COMMAND or to use RUN in the process 
of getting a Cygwin shell going. I don't know if this is suitable under 
Windows 9x or ME, but for NT and 2K, it works fine.

I keep these shortcuts in my quick-start bar (now that I use Windows 
2K--under NT I assigned keyboard equivalents).

Randall Schulz
Mountain View, CA USA


At 18:31 2001-06-28, Axel Boldt wrote:
>I think that a shortcut to something like
>
>   run rxvt -e C:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
>   (or putting the call to rxvt into cygwin.bat)
>
>would be preferable to the current command.com /c cygwin.bat shortcut because:
>
>    * rxvt has scrollbars
>    * rxvt allows for decent cut and paste
>    * rxvt allows resizing of the window
>
>Rxvt's current standard font should be changed however since it doesn't 
>distinguish between 1 and l.
>
>The only disadvantage I can see is that rxvt is not as familiar as 
>command.com to people new to Unix. But those people are in trouble anyway :-)
>
>Axel


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Re: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Pierre Loic Herve]

Hi !

Yes, rxvt IS much better than other MS terms..

> ...\bin\rxvt.exe -g 120x99+732+0 -bg #000055 -fg #eeeeee -fn "Lucida
> Console-11" -sr -sl 5000 -vb -e /bin/bash --login -i

I personnaly use :
rxvt -sl 9999 +sb -fn "-*-Courier-medium-r-*-13-*" -bg "#444444" -fg
yellow -e bash --login
It works fine on WinME.

BUT :
I never managed to have a transparent background image for rxvt.
I dont use XWindow but rxvt from http://www.io.com/~bub/rxvt.html
and i would love this feature !!!

Does someone has it ?

Thanks
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Re: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Axel Boldt]

Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> said:

Randall> I can see no reason to involve CMD or COMMAND or to use RUN
Randall> in the process of getting a Cygwin shell going. I don't know
Randall> if this is suitable under Windows 9x or ME, but for NT and
Randall> 2K, it works fine.

I use Windows 98, and without the command.com to start bash there
won't be any way to do cut and paste in the cygwin console window. If
I start rxvt without run, I'll get an ugly black terminal window which
immediately goes away and rxvt appears.

Axel

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Re: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Sandeep Tamhankar]

First of all, I'd just like to take a moment to say "rxvt 
ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!"  I had no idea it existed in Cygwin, and it is SOOO 
much nicer than the DOS window running bash, particularly for being able 
to copy mult-line commands (which requires copying one screen line at a 
time in a DOS window).

Secondly, the ugly black DOS window does come up momentarily on W2k 
also.  But I barely noticed it until I read your mail.  And I lost the 
original mail that had the command that used "run" and "cmd" so I 
couldn't try that out to see what happens.  But the black window doesn't 
bother me in the least; I'm quite content.

-Sandeep

Axel Boldt wrote:

>Randall R Schulz <rrschulz@cris.com> said:
>
>Randall> I can see no reason to involve CMD or COMMAND or to use RUN
>Randall> in the process of getting a Cygwin shell going. I don't know
>Randall> if this is suitable under Windows 9x or ME, but for NT and
>Randall> 2K, it works fine.
>
>I use Windows 98, and without the command.com to start bash there
>won't be any way to do cut and paste in the cygwin console window. If
>I start rxvt without run, I'll get an ugly black terminal window which
>immediately goes away and rxvt appears.
>
>Axel
>
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Re: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[David A. Cobb]

At 6/28/01 10:17 PM (Thursday), you wrote:
>Axel,
>
>Here's the shortcut I use to launch rxvt:
>
>...\bin\rxvt.exe -g 120x99+732+0 -bg #000055 -fg #eeeeee -fn "Lucida 
>Console-11" -sr -sl 5000 -vb -e /bin/bash --login -i
>
>Lucida Console makes the 1 / l (one / ell) distinction quite clear.
>
>I use the visual bell (-vb) option with rxvt since sending an ASCII BEL / 
>007 / ^G to an rxvt window does not generate any sound (on my system).
>
>This is the shortcut I use to launch a console window:
>
>...\cygwin\bin\bash.exe --login -i

As another possibility (which I use) "rxvt.exe . . . . . (like above) -e 
/bin/login [myname]"
IOW, let login.exe start my shell as it would on a real *Nix.  This also 
should let me select a different shell  by editing /etc/passwd.
My original reason was that this also solves all the problems about being 
identified as "Administrator".

Warning, if you like different shells: some of them have requirements about 
environment variables that you might need to accomodate in AUTOEXEC.BAT.


>In this case, since the target is a console application, not a GUI one, 
>the font, colors and window size are set in the appropriate tabs of the 
>shortcut Properties dialog. The built-in system speaker (not my sound 
>card) produces a beep when a BEL is output.
>
>I can see no reason to involve CMD or COMMAND or to use RUN in the process 
>of getting a Cygwin shell going. I don't know if this is suitable under 
>Windows 9x or ME, but for NT and 2K, it works fine.
>
>I keep these shortcuts in my quick-start bar (now that I use Windows 
>2K--under NT I assigned keyboard equivalents).
>
>Randall Schulz
>Mountain View, CA USA
>
>
>At 18:31 2001-06-28, Axel Boldt wrote:
>>I think that a shortcut to something like
>>
>>   run rxvt -e C:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
>>   (or putting the call to rxvt into cygwin.bat)
>>
>>would be preferable to the current command.com /c cygwin.bat shortcut 
>>because:
>>
>>    * rxvt has scrollbars
>>    * rxvt allows for decent cut and paste
>>    * rxvt allows resizing of the window
>>
>>Rxvt's current standard font should be changed however since it doesn't 
>>distinguish between 1 and l.
>>
>>The only disadvantage I can see is that rxvt is not as familiar as 
>>command.com to people new to Unix. But those people are in trouble anyway :-)
>>
>>Axel
>
>
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RE: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Randall R Schulz]

Hi,

Well, to take my own advice (and accept my own chastisement about "seeking" 
vs. "asking") ...

< http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm >

You're right. Andale Mono is a good typeface for monospace purposes. It's 
taller and narrower than Lucida Console, and I stepped up to 12 point, 
cutting my window height from 99 to 92 (with a two-high taskbar + 
quick-launch bar). Andale Mono also has a dotted / slashed zero, so for 
programmers, I'd say it's excellent.

I still prefer the aspect ratio of Lucida Console, so for now I'm going to 
keep two shortcuts in my quick-launch bar, one for starting rxvt with each 
of these fonts.

Randall Schulz


At 12:17 2001-06-30, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>Jonadab,
>
>Could you provide a URL for "Microsoft Typography," please?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Randall Schulz
>
>At 11:53 2001-06-30, Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:
>
>># Thanks for the tips on running rxvt.  The fonts are still a problem for me.
>># The font I get with your command line still confuses 1 and l.  The courier
>># font used by Pierre's command line does give a different display font, 
>>but I
>># don't seem to be able to control it's size very well.
>>
>>Get Andale Mono.  This is available free from Microsoft Typography and
>>is far and away the best fixedwidth TrueType font I have seen to date.
>>No Windows system is complete without it, IMO.  For that matter, no
>>system that uses TrueType fonts is complete without it.
>>
>>
>>-- jonadab


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RE: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Randall R Schulz]

Jonadab,

Could you provide a URL for "Microsoft Typography," please?

Thanks.

Randall Schulz

At 11:53 2001-06-30, Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:

># Thanks for the tips on running rxvt.  The fonts are still a problem for me.
># The font I get with your command line still confuses 1 and l.  The courier
># font used by Pierre's command line does give a different display font, but I
># don't seem to be able to control it's size very well.
>
>Get Andale Mono.  This is available free from Microsoft Typography and
>is far and away the best fixedwidth TrueType font I have seen to date.
>No Windows system is complete without it, IMO.  For that matter, no
>system that uses TrueType fonts is complete without it.
>
>
>-- jonadab


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RE: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

# Thanks for the tips on running rxvt.  The fonts are still a problem for me.
# The font I get with your command line still confuses 1 and l.  The courier
# font used by Pierre's command line does give a different display font, but I
# don't seem to be able to control it's size very well.  

Get Andale Mono.  This is available free from Microsoft Typography and
is far and away the best fixedwidth TrueType font I have seen to date.  
No Windows system is complete without it, IMO.  For that matter, no
system that uses TrueType fonts is complete without it.  


-- jonadab

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RE: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window

[John Wiersba]

Thanks for the tips on running rxvt.  The fonts are still a problem for me.
The font I get with your command line still confuses 1 and l.  The courier
font used by Pierre's command line does give a different display font, but I
don't seem to be able to control it's size very well.  Any pointers on how
to do that?  Right now unders WinNT, I'm using Raster Fonts 6x12 which seems
to be the only font which is readable and gives me enough screen real estate
(I like to display two side-by-side 80 column windows with scrollbars).

-- John Wiersba

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randall R Schulz [ mailto:rrschulz@cris.com ]
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:18 PM
> To: Axel Boldt; cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject: Re: Rxvt vs. command.com as standard cygwin window
> 
> 
> Axel,
> 
> Here's the shortcut I use to launch rxvt:
> 
> ...\bin\rxvt.exe -g 120x99+732+0 -bg #000055 -fg #eeeeee -fn "Lucida 
> Console-11" -sr -sl 5000 -vb -e /bin/bash --login -i
> 
> Lucida Console makes the 1 / l (one / ell) distinction quite clear.
> 
> I use the visual bell (-vb) option with rxvt since sending an 
> ASCII BEL / 
> 007 / ^G to an rxvt window does not generate any sound (on my system).
> 
> This is the shortcut I use to launch a console window:
> 
> ...\cygwin\bin\bash.exe --login -i
> 
> In this case, since the target is a console application, not 
> a GUI one, the 
> font, colors and window size are set in the appropriate tabs of the 
> shortcut Properties dialog. The built-in system speaker (not 
> my sound card) 
> produces a beep when a BEL is output.
> 
> I can see no reason to involve CMD or COMMAND or to use RUN 
> in the process 
> of getting a Cygwin shell going. I don't know if this is 
> suitable under 
> Windows 9x or ME, but for NT and 2K, it works fine.
> 
> I keep these shortcuts in my quick-start bar (now that I use Windows 
> 2K--under NT I assigned keyboard equivalents).
> 
> Randall Schulz
> Mountain View, CA USA
> 
> 
> At 18:31 2001-06-28, Axel Boldt wrote:
> >I think that a shortcut to something like
> >
> >   run rxvt -e C:\cygwin\cygwin.bat
> >   (or putting the call to rxvt into cygwin.bat)
> >
> >would be preferable to the current command.com /c cygwin.bat 
> shortcut because:
> >
> >    * rxvt has scrollbars
> >    * rxvt allows for decent cut and paste
> >    * rxvt allows resizing of the window
> >
> >Rxvt's current standard font should be changed however since 
> it doesn't 
> >distinguish between 1 and l.
> >
> >The only disadvantage I can see is that rxvt is not as familiar as 
> >command.com to people new to Unix. But those people are in 
> trouble anyway :-)
> >
> >Axel
> 
> 
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