RE: invalid spawn id (4)

RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Wolmarans, Brett]

Yes I know, but I am not a skilled contributor. 

_______________________
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-----Original Message-----
From: Igor Pechtchanski [mailto:pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:50 PM
To: Wolmarans, Brett
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: invalid spawn id (4)

Brett,

First off, please configure your mailer to not quote raw e-mail addresses
in your replies -- the spam harvesters have it too easy already.

And I actually was not joking -- Cygwin setup, just like Cygwin itself, is
open-source software developed by volunteers in their spare time.
Without their contributions, we would still be in the days of B20
(although some people seem to think that that might not be too bad).
Frankly, the reason I suggested that you try to do this is that this
project doesn't look like it'll require too much of a learning curve, and
will, IMO, help improve the overall Cygwin user experience.  We're always
looking for skilled contributors.
	Igor

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Wolmarans, Brett wrote:

> You must be joking!
> _______________________
> brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Pechtchanski
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:10 PM
> To: cygwin<at>cygwin<dot>com
> Cc: Wolmarans, Brett
> Subject: RE: invalid spawn id (4)
>
> Brett,
>
> Humor and indignation aside, it might be a useful feature to have
> "installation profiles" for setup based on intended usage.  That way,
> instead of having to wade through all the packages (on a too-small screen,
> no less [an inside joke]), one could simply select "Cygwin for telnet", or
> "Cygwin for shell scripting", or "Cygwin for cron" and the right set of
> packages will automagically be selected.  Feel free to implement the
> support for this in setup and submit a patch -- I'm sure it will be
> thoughtfully considered.
>         Igor
>
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
>
> > Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I
> > guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.
> >
> > The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be
> > made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including
> > all these by default would make for a very large base installation.
> > Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that
> > the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things
> > installed by default that will only be useful to
> > 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm
> > assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would
> > contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it
> > to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.
> > Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we
> > didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
> > more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being
> > antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have
> > complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
> > We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
> > initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
> > you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in
> > no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
> > from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your
> > specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you
feel,
> > then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software
in
> > protest.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
> > >If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
> > >default.  That was my point.
> > >_______________________
> > >brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
> > >
> > >At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
> > >>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
> > >>client with cygwin expect.
> > >>
> > >>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone
knows
> > >>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that
will
> > >>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the
user
> > >>base )
> > >
> > >We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended
> > >use. ;-)
> > >
> > >Of course, this list caters to
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
> > >of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of
you.

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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Igor Pechtchanski]

Brett,

First off, please configure your mailer to not quote raw e-mail addresses
in your replies -- the spam harvesters have it too easy already.

And I actually was not joking -- Cygwin setup, just like Cygwin itself, is
open-source software developed by volunteers in their spare time.
Without their contributions, we would still be in the days of B20
(although some people seem to think that that might not be too bad).
Frankly, the reason I suggested that you try to do this is that this
project doesn't look like it'll require too much of a learning curve, and
will, IMO, help improve the overall Cygwin user experience.  We're always
looking for skilled contributors.
	Igor

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Wolmarans, Brett wrote:

> You must be joking!
> _______________________
> brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Pechtchanski
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:10 PM
> To: cygwin<at>cygwin<dot>com
> Cc: Wolmarans, Brett
> Subject: RE: invalid spawn id (4)
>
> Brett,
>
> Humor and indignation aside, it might be a useful feature to have
> "installation profiles" for setup based on intended usage.  That way,
> instead of having to wade through all the packages (on a too-small screen,
> no less [an inside joke]), one could simply select "Cygwin for telnet", or
> "Cygwin for shell scripting", or "Cygwin for cron" and the right set of
> packages will automagically be selected.  Feel free to implement the
> support for this in setup and submit a patch -- I'm sure it will be
> thoughtfully considered.
>         Igor
>
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Larry Hall wrote:
>
> > Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I
> > guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.
> >
> > The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be
> > made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including
> > all these by default would make for a very large base installation.
> > Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that
> > the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things
> > installed by default that will only be useful to
> > 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm
> > assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would
> > contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it
> > to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.
> > Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we
> > didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
> > more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being
> > antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have
> > complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
> > We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
> > initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
> > you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in
> > no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
> > from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your
> > specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you feel,
> > then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software in
> > protest.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> > At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
> > >If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
> > >default.  That was my point.
> > >_______________________
> > >brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
> > >
> > >At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
> > >>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
> > >>client with cygwin expect.
> > >>
> > >>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
> > >>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
> > >>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
> > >>base )
> > >
> > >We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended
> > >use. ;-)
> > >
> > >Of course, this list caters to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
> > >of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.

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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Larry Hall]

At 05:53 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
>I wish I had a job where I could spend this much time writing so much about
>so little.  Lucky you!


Apparently you do (have such a job).  And I'm sure we're all appreciative 
that you use so much of your precious time to start antagonistic threads 
and keep them going!  It's very useful.  I expect that this thread will 
work to your advantage with any future inquiries you make to the list.  Who 
wouldn't want to try to help you with a problem you're having?!

Nice talking with you.


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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Wolmarans, Brett]

I wish I had a job where I could spend this much time writing so much about
so little.  Lucky you!

_______________________
brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hall [mailto:cygwin-lh@cygwin.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:01 PM
To: Wolmarans, Brett; 'Cygwin List'; Wolmarans, Brett
Subject: RE: invalid spawn id (4)

Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I 
guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.

The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be 
made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including 
all these by default would make for a very large base installation.  
Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that 
the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things 
installed by default that will only be useful to 
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm 
assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would 
contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it 
to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.  
Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we 
didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being 
antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have 
complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in 
no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your 
specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you feel,
then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software in
protest.

Larry


At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
>If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
>default.  That was my point.
>
>_______________________
>brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
>Cell Phone: (818) 292-3411  http://support.spirentcom.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hall [mailto:cygwin-lh@cygwin.com] 
>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:37 PM
>To: Wolmarans, Brett; 'cygwin@cygwin.com'
>Subject: Re: invalid spawn id (4)
>
>At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
>>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
>>client with cygwin expect.  
>>
>>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone
knows
>>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
>>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the
user
>>base )  
>
>
>We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended 
>use. ;-)
>
>Of course, this list caters to
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
>
>of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.
>
>
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>838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9889 - FAX
>Holliston, MA 01746                     
>
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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Wolmarans, Brett]

You must be joking! 

_______________________
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-----Original Message-----
From: Igor Pechtchanski [mailto:pechtcha@cs.nyu.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:10 PM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Cc: Wolmarans, Brett
Subject: RE: invalid spawn id (4)

Brett,

Humor and indignation aside, it might be a useful feature to have
"installation profiles" for setup based on intended usage.  That way,
instead of having to wade through all the packages (on a too-small screen,
no less [an inside joke]), one could simply select "Cygwin for telnet", or
"Cygwin for shell scripting", or "Cygwin for cron" and the right set of
packages will automagically be selected.  Feel free to implement the
support for this in setup and submit a patch -- I'm sure it will be
thoughtfully considered.
	Igor

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Larry Hall wrote:

> Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I
> guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.
>
> The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be
> made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including
> all these by default would make for a very large base installation.
> Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that
> the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things
> installed by default that will only be useful to
> 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm
> assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would
> contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it
> to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.
> Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we
> didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
> more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being
> antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have
> complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
> We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
> initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
> you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in
> no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
> from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your
> specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you
feel,
> then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software
in
> protest.
>
> Larry
>
>
> At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
> >If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
> >default.  That was my point.
> >_______________________
> >brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
> >
> >At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
> >>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
> >>client with cygwin expect.
> >>
> >>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone
knows
> >>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that
will
> >>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the
user
> >>base )
> >
> >We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended
> >use. ;-)
> >
> >Of course, this list caters to
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
> >of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.

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Re: invalid spawn id (4)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 04:10:00PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote:
>Humor and indignation aside, it might be a useful feature to have
>"installation profiles" for setup based on intended usage.  That way,
>instead of having to wade through all the packages (on a too-small
>screen, no less [an inside joke]), one could simply select "Cygwin for
>telnet", or "Cygwin for shell scripting", or "Cygwin for cron" and the
>right set of packages will automagically be selected.  Feel free to
>implement the support for this in setup and submit a patch -- I'm sure
>it will be thoughtfully considered.

Actually, IMO, setup's UI needs a complete and total redesign.  It's
obviously not very intuitive to use.  Something like the above would
probably be useful but maybe we should just go with a more traditional
installer look-and-feel.

Anyone up for a 'setup2' project?

cgf

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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Igor Pechtchanski]

Brett,

Humor and indignation aside, it might be a useful feature to have
"installation profiles" for setup based on intended usage.  That way,
instead of having to wade through all the packages (on a too-small screen,
no less [an inside joke]), one could simply select "Cygwin for telnet", or
"Cygwin for shell scripting", or "Cygwin for cron" and the right set of
packages will automagically be selected.  Feel free to implement the
support for this in setup and submit a patch -- I'm sure it will be
thoughtfully considered.
	Igor

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Larry Hall wrote:

> Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I
> guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.
>
> The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be
> made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including
> all these by default would make for a very large base installation.
> Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that
> the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things
> installed by default that will only be useful to
> 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm
> assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would
> contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it
> to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.
> Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we
> didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
> more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being
> antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have
> complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
> We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
> initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
> you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in
> no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
> from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your
> specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you feel,
> then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software in
> protest.
>
> Larry
>
>
> At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
> >If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
> >default.  That was my point.
> >_______________________
> >brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
> >
> >At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
> >>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
> >>client with cygwin expect.
> >>
> >>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
> >>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
> >>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
> >>base )
> >
> >We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended
> >use. ;-)
> >
> >Of course, this list caters to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
> >of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.

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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Larry Hall]

Brett, I understood your point.  You clearly didn't catch mine though, I 
guess because it was shrouded in humor.  I'll be more plain.

The argument you make for including Cygwin's telnet by default could be 
made for many other utilities provided with Cygwin as well.  Including 
all these by default would make for a very large base installation.  
Some would say that it is already too large.  Since you argue that 
the current default installation contains "a gazillion other things 
installed by default that will only be useful to 
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user base", I'm 
assuming you would be in agreement with this crowd.  But that would 
contradict your argument so I can only guess that you're making it 
to let everyone on the list know that all this bothers you intensely.  
Perhaps you feel that you're owed some kind of apology because we 
didn't anticipate your needs and provide all the facilities (but no
more!) that you need personally by default.  Maybe you're just being 
antagonistic.  I'm not sure.  What I am sure about is that you have 
complete freedom to install or not any package that Cygwin provides.
We're not forcing any on you.  Even the default ones can be unselected
initially or uninstalled later.  Given that fact, I fail to understand
you indignation on this point.  But I hope you understand you are in 
no way restricted by the current options and that Cygwin as distributed
from cygwin.com will not be changing it's defaults to accommodate your 
specific desires.  If that statement just adds to the indignation you feel,
then the only thing I can suggest is that you refuse to use the software in
protest.

Larry


At 12:43 PM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
>If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
>default.  That was my point.
>
>_______________________
>brett wolmarans, PSE, Spirent Communications
>Cell Phone: (818) 292-3411  http://support.spirentcom.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Hall [mailto:cygwin-lh@cygwin.com] 
>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:37 PM
>To: Wolmarans, Brett; 'cygwin@cygwin.com'
>Subject: Re: invalid spawn id (4)
>
>At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
>>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
>>client with cygwin expect.  
>>
>>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
>>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
>>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
>>base )  
>
>
>We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended 
>use. ;-)
>
>Of course, this list caters to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
>
>of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.
>
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RE: invalid spawn id (4)

[Wolmarans, Brett]

If you recommend your telnet client so much then have it installed by
default.  That was my point.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hall [mailto:cygwin-lh@cygwin.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:37 PM
To: Wolmarans, Brett; 'cygwin@cygwin.com'
Subject: Re: invalid spawn id (4)

At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
>client with cygwin expect.  
>
>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
>base )  


We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended 
use. ;-)

Of course, this list caters to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.


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RFK Partners, Inc.                      (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9889 - FAX
Holliston, MA 01746                     

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Re: invalid spawn id (4)

[Larry Hall]

At 07:33 PM 3/1/2004, you wrote:
>Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
>client with cygwin expect.  
>
>Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
>why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
>only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
>base )  


We recommend Cygwin telnet client over MS regardless of your intended 
use. ;-)

Of course, this list caters to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% 
of the user base so we can only make recommendations to the rest of you.


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RFK Partners, Inc.                      (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9889 - FAX
Holliston, MA 01746                     


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invalid spawn id (4)

[Wolmarans, Brett]

Hey, nobody ever replied but the answer is, don't use Microsoft telnet
client with cygwin expect.  

Install cygwin telnet client ( NOT installed by default, heaven alone knows
why when they have a gazillion other things installed by default that will
only be useful to 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the user
base )  

Anybody know how to resolve or work around this bug in expect: invalid spawn
id (4) the first time I try to something incredibly common such as use
expect to automate a telnet session.  I could not find any references to
this in the faq or archives, found one hit on google but no solution.

cygwin version: CYGWIN_NT-5.0 bwolmarans-98 1.5.4(0.94/3/2) 2003-09-12 23:08
i686 unknown unknown Cygwin
expect version: 8.4.1 ( output from info patchlevel command )
O/S version: w2k pro SP3

log:
bwolmarans@bwolmarans-98 ~
$ expect
expect1.1> spawn telnet 10.26.0.100
spawn telnet 10.26.0.100
1424
expect1.2> expect ogin
expect1.3> send bwolmarans\n
send: invalid spawn id (4)
    while executing
"send bwolmarans\n"
expect1.4>

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