Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Andy Koppe]

On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>
>> Consolas
>> Andale Mono
>> Courier New
>> Lucida Console
>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>> Droid Sans Mono
>> Inconsolata
>> ...
>
> FYI:
> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/

Good work.

What mintty version is that though? It seems to be missing the
fallback scheme to (rough) ASCII equivalents for the VT100 graphics
characters.

Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.

Andy

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Charles Wilson]

On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>
>>> Consolas
>>> Andale Mono
>>> Courier New
>>> Lucida Console
>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>> Inconsolata
>>> ...
>>
>> FYI:
>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
> 
> Good work.
> 
> What mintty version is that though? It seems to be missing the
> fallback scheme to (rough) ASCII equivalents for the VT100 graphics
> characters.

mintty-0.9.8-1

The difference MAY be that I didn't actually cat xgraphics each time
after changing the font.  I merely changed the font, while the earlier
xgraphics result was viewable in the terminal.  If the fallback scheme
relies on actually changing the internally-stored character code, rather
than changing which glyph is used to draw that character, then my
technique would bypass the fallback.

> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.

Looks that way.

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[KHMan]

On 5/25/2011 11:26 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>
>>>> Consolas
>>>> Andale Mono
>>>> Courier New
>>>> Lucida Console
>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>> Inconsolata
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> FYI:
>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>[snip snip]
>
>> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.

Liberation Mono should get a mention too. It is hinted for the 
small font sizes, great for those who prefer old-style crisp 
hinted glyphs. I use it on mintty for Cygwin.

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Ryan Johnson]

On 25/05/2011 11:54 AM, KHMan wrote:
> On 5/25/2011 11:26 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
>> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>>
>>>>> Consolas
>>>>> Andale Mono
>>>>> Courier New
>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>>> Inconsolata
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> FYI:
>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>> [snip snip]
>>
>>> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.
>
> Liberation Mono should get a mention too. It is hinted for the small 
> font sizes, great for those who prefer old-style crisp hinted glyphs. 
> I use it on mintty for Cygwin.
>
How do you get mintty to see Liberation Mono? I downloaded the family 
from redhat, installed it on my w7-x64 machine, made sure it was set to 
'show,' and started a fresh mintty, but it still can't find the font. 
Even unchecking 'hide fonts based on language settings' in 'font 
settings' didn't help (made a lot of other fonts appear, tho).

(For now I'm using Lucida Console)

Thanks,
Ryan


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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[KHMan]

On 5/26/2011 12:13 AM, Ryan Johnson wrote:
> On 25/05/2011 11:54 AM, KHMan wrote:
>> On 5/25/2011 11:26 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consolas
>>>>>> Andale Mono
>>>>>> Courier New
>>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>>>> Inconsolata
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI:
>>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>>> [snip snip]
>>>
>>>> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.
>>
>> Liberation Mono should get a mention too. It is hinted for the
>> small font sizes, great for those who prefer old-style crisp
>> hinted glyphs. I use it on mintty for Cygwin.
>>
> How do you get mintty to see Liberation Mono? I downloaded the
> family from redhat, installed it on my w7-x64 machine, made sure
> it was set to 'show,' and started a fresh mintty, but it still
> can't find the font. Even unchecking 'hide fonts based on language
> settings' in 'font settings' didn't help (made a lot of other
> fonts appear, tho).

Sorry, I'm on XP, did it the traditional 
copy-and-paste-in-Explorer way. Perhaps someone else has tried it 
on Win7...

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Andy Koppe]

On 25 May 2011 17:13, Ryan Johnson wrote:
> On 25/05/2011 11:54 AM, KHMan wrote:
>>
>> On 5/25/2011 11:26 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consolas
>>>>>> Andale Mono
>>>>>> Courier New
>>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>>>> Inconsolata
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI:
>>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>>>
>>>> [snip snip]
>>>
>>>> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.
>>
>> Liberation Mono should get a mention too. It is hinted for the small font
>> sizes, great for those who prefer old-style crisp hinted glyphs. I use it on
>> mintty for Cygwin.
>>
> How do you get mintty to see Liberation Mono? I downloaded the family from
> redhat, installed it on my w7-x64 machine, made sure it was set to 'show,'
> and started a fresh mintty, but it still can't find the font.

Works for me, on w7-x64. Make sure the font shows up in the Fonts
control panel and that it isn't hidden, i.e. not appearing greyed out.
There's a 'Show' button along the top of the panel in case it is.

Andy

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Ryan Johnson]

On 25/05/2011 12:55 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 25 May 2011 17:13, Ryan Johnson wrote:
>> On 25/05/2011 11:54 AM, KHMan wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2011 11:26 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consolas
>>>>>>> Andale Mono
>>>>>>> Courier New
>>>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>>>>> Inconsolata
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>>>> [snip snip]
>>>>> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.
>>> Liberation Mono should get a mention too. It is hinted for the small font
>>> sizes, great for those who prefer old-style crisp hinted glyphs. I use it on
>>> mintty for Cygwin.
>>>
>> How do you get mintty to see Liberation Mono? I downloaded the family from
>> redhat, installed it on my w7-x64 machine, made sure it was set to 'show,'
>> and started a fresh mintty, but it still can't find the font.
> Works for me, on w7-x64. Make sure the font shows up in the Fonts
> control panel and that it isn't hidden, i.e. not appearing greyed out.
> There's a 'Show' button along the top of the panel in case it is.
I tried to say before that I have done that (I saw the closed bug about 
this and made sure to follow the instructions there). Unchecking that 
setting about language-specific hiding made a whole bunch of other 
(presumably Asian) fonts show up in mintty, but still no Liberation Mono.

The font is officially installed, officially showing, and usable by just 
about everything except mintty. Most apps (like Word) picked it up 
immediately.

Very odd...

Ryan


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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Thomas Wolff]

Am 25.05.2011 20:05, schrieb Ryan Johnson:
> On 25/05/2011 12:55 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 25 May 2011 17:13, Ryan Johnson wrote:
>>> On 25/05/2011 11:54 AM, KHMan wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2011 11:26 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>>>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consolas
>>>>>>>> Andale Mono
>>>>>>>> Courier New
>>>>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>>>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>>>>>> Inconsolata
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>>>>> [snip snip]
>>>>>> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.
>>>> Liberation Mono should get a mention too. It is hinted for the 
>>>> small font
>>>> sizes, great for those who prefer old-style crisp hinted glyphs. I 
>>>> use it on
>>>> mintty for Cygwin.
>>>>
>>> How do you get mintty to see Liberation Mono? I downloaded the 
>>> family from
>>> redhat, installed it on my w7-x64 machine, made sure it was set to 
>>> 'show,'
>>> and started a fresh mintty, but it still can't find the font.
>> Works for me, on w7-x64. Make sure the font shows up in the Fonts
>> control panel and that it isn't hidden, i.e. not appearing greyed out.
>> There's a 'Show' button along the top of the panel in case it is.
> I tried to say before that I have done that (I saw the closed bug 
> about this and made sure to follow the instructions there). Unchecking 
> that setting about language-specific hiding made a whole bunch of 
> other (presumably Asian) fonts show up in mintty, but still no 
> Liberation Mono.
>
> The font is officially installed, officially showing, and usable by 
> just about everything except mintty. Most apps (like Word) picked it 
> up immediately.
>
> Very odd...
I don't see it in the menu either, on XP.
However, mintty -o Font="Liberation Mono" works.
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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Corinna Vinschen]

On May 25 22:48, Thomas Wolff wrote:
> Am 25.05.2011 20:05, schrieb Ryan Johnson:
> >On 25/05/2011 12:55 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> >>On 25 May 2011 17:13, Ryan Johnson wrote:
> >>>How do you get mintty to see Liberation Mono? I downloaded the
> >>>family from
> >>>redhat, installed it on my w7-x64 machine, made sure it was
> >>>set to 'show,'
> >>>and started a fresh mintty, but it still can't find the font.
> >>Works for me, on w7-x64. Make sure the font shows up in the Fonts
> >>control panel and that it isn't hidden, i.e. not appearing greyed out.
> >>There's a 'Show' button along the top of the panel in case it is.
> >I tried to say before that I have done that (I saw the closed bug
> >about this and made sure to follow the instructions there).
> >Unchecking that setting about language-specific hiding made a
> >whole bunch of other (presumably Asian) fonts show up in mintty,
> >but still no Liberation Mono.
> >
> >The font is officially installed, officially showing, and usable
> >by just about everything except mintty. Most apps (like Word)
> >picked it up immediately.
> >
> >Very odd...
> I don't see it in the menu either, on XP.
> However, mintty -o Font="Liberation Mono" works.

Weird.  I installed the Liberation Mono Fonts on W7 (right click
on the font, "Install") and I could choose the font from mintty's
font menu, even in a mintty which was still running.


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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Andy Koppe]

On 25 May 2011 16:26, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>
>>>> Consolas
>>>> Andale Mono
>>>> Courier New
>>>> Lucida Console
>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>> Inconsolata
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> FYI:
>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>
>> Good work.
>>
>> What mintty version is that though? It seems to be missing the
>> fallback scheme to (rough) ASCII equivalents for the VT100 graphics
>> characters.
>
> mintty-0.9.8-1
>
> The difference MAY be that I didn't actually cat xgraphics each time
> after changing the font.  I merely changed the font, while the earlier
> xgraphics result was viewable in the terminal.  If the fallback scheme
> relies on actually changing the internally-stored character code, rather
> than changing which glyph is used to draw that character, then my
> technique would bypass the fallback.

Yep, that explains it.

Andy

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Charles Wilson]

On 5/25/2011 12:52 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 25 May 2011 16:26, Charles Wilson wrote:
>> On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>> On 25 May 2011 05:32, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>> Maybe when I get home I'll test out a few...
>>>>>
>>>>> Consolas
>>>>> Andale Mono
>>>>> Courier New
>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>> Vera Sans Mono (or DejaVu LGC Sans)
>>>>> Droid Sans Mono
>>>>> Inconsolata
>>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> FYI:
>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>>>
>>> Good work.
>>>
>>> What mintty version is that though? It seems to be missing the
>>> fallback scheme to (rough) ASCII equivalents for the VT100 graphics
>>> characters.
>>
>> mintty-0.9.8-1
>>
>> The difference MAY be that I didn't actually cat xgraphics each time
>> after changing the font.  I merely changed the font, while the earlier
>> xgraphics result was viewable in the terminal.  If the fallback scheme
>> relies on actually changing the internally-stored character code, rather
>> than changing which glyph is used to draw that character, then my
>> technique would bypass the fallback.
> 
> Yep, that explains it.

Ok, I redid the screenshots, but this time I made sure to cat the
xgraphics file again after changig the font.  And, you can see the G0/G1
VT100 line drawing modes, for the less-complete fonts, are getting the
ASCII fallbacks.  Except for Terminus, for some reason.

I also added the Consolas-W7 snap you sent, and a new entry for
Liberation Mono.

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Re: mintty font test

[Warren Young]

On 5/25/2011 7:42 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>>>> FYI:
>>>>> http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/
>
> Ok, I redid the screenshots, but this time I made sure to cat the
> xgraphics file again after changig the font.

This is really valuable, Chuck!  I'd already independently settled on 
Deja Vu and Lucida Console already based on ad hoc testing, but these 
test results give me a objective foundation for that opinion.

(Why Lucida Console given its deficiencies compared to Deja Vu?  It's 
more vertically compact, allowing more lines in a window for a given 
point size, and I don't seem to have any programs here that need the 
missing glyphs.)

If random list members can nominate others for gold stars, I so do. :)

It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with 
mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their 
system with other fonts.

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Re: mintty font test

[Andy Koppe]

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On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote:
> It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with
> mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system
> with other fonts.

It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no.

Find it attached though.

Andy

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Re: mintty font test

[Andy Koppe]

On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote:
>> It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with
>> mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system
>> with other fonts.
>
> It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no.
>
> Find it attached though.

Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff.

Andy

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Re: mintty font test

[Charles Wilson]

On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote:
>>> It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with
>>> mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system
>>> with other fonts.
>>
>> It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no.
>>
>> Find it attached though.
> 
> Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff.

I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most
accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere.

http://code.google.com/p/mintty/w/list

Obviously, any direct download links in the wiki text (such as <img
src="" /> elements like the screenshots here:
http://code.google.com/p/mintty/

would require that those files be added to svn under images/ or something.

Andy, if you agree but don't want to do it yourself, I can do it if you
give me (temporary) privileges...send me a private email for code.google
account info.  FWIW, the current version of those images (*) are (as of
this email) explicitly placed under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license, as is the
web page that aggregates and displays them.

(*) except for fonts-consolas-w7.png, which was created by Andy.

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Re: mintty font test

[Thomas Wolff]

Am 31.05.2011 17:17, schrieb Charles Wilson:
> On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>> On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote:
>>>> It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with
>>>> mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system
>>>> with other fonts.
>>> It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no.
>>>
>>> Find it attached though.
>> Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff.
> I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most
> accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere.
>
The test file was kind of a hack. For the purpose of proliferation :) I 
cleaned it up a little bit and will provide the update tomorrow.
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Re: mintty font test

[Thomas Wolff]

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Am 31.05.2011 20:19, schrieb Thomas Wolff:
> Am 31.05.2011 17:17, schrieb Charles Wilson:
>> On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>> On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>> On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote:
>>>>> It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed 
>>>>> with
>>>>> mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on 
>>>>> their system
>>>>> with other fonts.
>>>> It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no.
>>>>
>>>> Find it attached though.
>>> Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff.
>> I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most
>> accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere.
>>
> The test file was kind of a hack. For the purpose of proliferation :) 
> I cleaned it up a little bit and will provide the update tomorrow.
> Thomas
Attached.
You are welcome to put this file on a wiki page. (Not in a blog please.)
Thomas

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Re: mintty font test

[Andy Koppe]

On 31 May 2011 16:17, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote:
>>> On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote:
>>>> It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with
>>>> mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system
>>>> with other fonts.
>>>
>>> It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no.
>>>
>>> Find it attached though.
>>
>> Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff.
>
> I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most
> accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/mintty/w/list
>
> Obviously, any direct download links in the wiki text (such as <img
> src="" /> elements like the screenshots here:
> http://code.google.com/p/mintty/
>
> would require that those files be added to svn under images/ or something.

I'm not keen on doing that. The point remains that this is not
mintty-specific, and it's bound to always be somewhat out-of-date and
incomplete. I don't want to have to deal with requests to update it
for new versions of a font, to add more fonts (for example CJK fonts),
or to cover other aspects such as support for different languages or
maths symbols. In other words, I think the "Terminal Font Chronicler"
is a sizable project in its own right.

I should add an entry about choosing a font to the Tips wiki page
though, plugging DejaVu Sans and linking to your review, if you're
planning on keeping it at its current location.

GDI font linking could be mentioned there as well, which is a Windows
font fallback scheme that can be configured in the registry at
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\FontLink\SystemLink.
Also, the Character Map utility, which displays all the glyphs in a
font.

Andy

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Re: mintty font test

[Charles Wilson]

On 6/1/2011 1:27 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 31 May 2011 16:17, Charles Wilson wrote:
>> I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most
>> accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere.
> I'm not keen on doing that.

That's fine, it's your site and project.

> The point remains that this is not
> mintty-specific,

I think that's arguable. The images depend on certain features (and
option settings) of mintty -- like the auto-replacement of acsc
characters, smoothing settings, the ability to change the terminal's
lang settings independently of envvar values, etc.

> and it's bound to always be somewhat out-of-date and
> incomplete.

Well, of course.  Everything on the web is out of date 15 minutes after
posting.  That doesn't mean it has no value.

> I don't want to have to deal with requests to update it
> for new versions of a font, to add more fonts (for example CJK fonts),
> or to cover other aspects such as support for different languages or
> maths symbols. In other words, I think the "Terminal Font Chronicler"
> is a sizable project in its own right.

If there is any intent to ensure it is comprehensive and current, yes. I
don't have any such intent.  It was reasonably comprehensive, and
current as of the date it was created.  Good enough for me.

> I should add an entry about choosing a font to the Tips wiki page
> though, plugging DejaVu Sans and linking to your review, if you're
> planning on keeping it at its current location.

Err...no.  I've been hitting Peter's bandwidth at fruitbat.org pretty
hard lately (with the mingw cross compiler hosted there for the last
month, and now this page with 2.4MB of images), so I want to move or
delete the page.

Many of the references I found around the net about terminal fonts were
in the form of blog posts.  Blog posts are naturally dated, and nobody
expects a blogger to go back months later and update an old post (maybe
fix typos within a few days of posting, but beyond that, no).

So, I reckon I'll put it up on a blog post somewhere.  Maybe I'll start
a special purpose blog at blogspot or something.

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Re: mintty font test

[Andy Koppe]

On 1 June 2011 16:44, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 1:27 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> and it's bound to always be somewhat out-of-date and
>> incomplete.
>
> Well, of course.  Everything on the web is out of date 15 minutes after
> posting.  That doesn't mean it has no value.
>
>> I don't want to have to deal with requests to update it
>> for new versions of a font, to add more fonts (for example CJK fonts),
>> or to cover other aspects such as support for different languages or
>> maths symbols. In other words, I think the "Terminal Font Chronicler"
>> is a sizable project in its own right.
>
> If there is any intent to ensure it is comprehensive and current, yes. I
> don't have any such intent.

Me neither, but a wiki does create that expectation, even more so with
an issue tracker next to it ...

> It was reasonably comprehensive, and
> current as of the date it was created.

Agreed.

>> I should add an entry about choosing a font to the Tips wiki page
>> though, plugging DejaVu Sans and linking to your review, if you're
>> planning on keeping it at its current location.
>
> Err...no.  I've been hitting Peter's bandwidth at fruitbat.org pretty
> hard lately (with the mingw cross compiler hosted there for the last
> month, and now this page with 2.4MB of images), so I want to move or
> delete the page.
>
> Many of the references I found around the net about terminal fonts were
> in the form of blog posts.  Blog posts are naturally dated, and nobody
> expects a blogger to go back months later and update an old post (maybe
> fix typos within a few days of posting, but beyond that, no).
>
> So, I reckon I'll put it up on a blog post somewhere.  Maybe I'll start
> a special purpose blog at blogspot or something.

That sounds like the right approach to me.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: setup and mintty (was Re: New setup.exe release?)

[Charles Wilson]

On 5/25/2011 1:17 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> Consolas on Windows 7 indeed is much improved.


In the original thread over on cygwin-apps, I had written:
> Yep, works fine with Lucida Console.  I was using Consolas, which IMO
> looks better...but yep, it appears to be missing the glyphs -- although
> rumor has it that MS added the glyphs in their W7 version of this font.
>  Since I'm running Vista and XP, well...   I probably knew that at one
> point.  Maybe.

I guess I *did* know this at one point:
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2009-10/msg00226.html

FWIW, compare the various versions of consolas:

5.00 -- shipped with Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1537

1.00 -- included in the Office 2007 compatibility pack
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1293

and 5.22, Windows7's version:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1723
which is not, AFAICT, available gratis.

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