BugZilla for Cygwin, PLEASE!

BugZilla for Cygwin, PLEASE!

[Dan Shelton]

Hello!

I don't see whether this has been discussed before,
but PLEASE could Cygwin get a bug tracker (BUGZILLA!)?

Dan
-- 
Dan Shelton - Cluster Specialist Win/Lin/Bsd

Re: BugZilla for Cygwin, PLEASE!

[Marco Atzeri]

On 18/12/2023 07:45, Dan Shelton via Cygwin wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I don't see whether this has been discussed before,
> but PLEASE could Cygwin get a bug tracker (BUGZILLA!)?
> 
> Dan

https://cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI

the bandwidth of current maintainers is the major constraint

The current bugtracker is this mailing list

Regards
Marco

Re: BugZilla for Cygwin, PLEASE!

[Cedric Blancher]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 07:58, Marco Atzeri via Cygwin <cygwin@cygwin.com> wrote:
>
> On 18/12/2023 07:45, Dan Shelton via Cygwin wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I don't see whether this has been discussed before,
> > but PLEASE could Cygwin get a bug tracker (BUGZILLA!)?
> >
> > Dan
>
> https://cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI
>
> the bandwidth of current maintainers is the major constraint
>
> The current bugtracker is this mailing list

Yeah, from a project administrator and project management  viewpoint
this is just stupid.
A bug tracker like Bugzilla would improve the "little bandwidth" the
maintainers have, by organising them better. It would make them more
efficient. That said, PLEASE don't use JIRA or AZURE bugtracker, that
would be an overkill and lead to worse performance. Just plain old
Bugzilla.

Ced
-- 
Cedric Blancher <cedric.blancher@gmail.com>
[https://plus.google.com/u/0/+CedricBlancher/]
Institute Pasteur

Re: BugZilla for Cygwin, PLEASE!

[marco atzeri]

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM Cedric Blancher  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 07:58, Marco Atzeri  wrote:
> >
> > On 18/12/2023 07:45, Dan Shelton via Cygwin wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I don't see whether this has been discussed before,
> > > but PLEASE could Cygwin get a bug tracker (BUGZILLA!)?
> > >
> > > Dan
> >
> > https://cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI
> >
> > the bandwidth of current maintainers is the major constraint
> >
> > The current bugtracker is this mailing list
>
> Yeah, from a project administrator and project management  viewpoint
> this is just stupid.

Maybe, but it works for us.

> A bug tracker like Bugzilla would improve the "little bandwidth" the
> maintainers have, by organising them better. It would make them more
> efficient. That said, PLEASE don't use JIRA or AZURE bugtracker, that
> would be an overkill and lead to worse performance. Just plain old
> Bugzilla.

You are assuming that we are a coordinated large team.
We are few maintainers working very asynchronous

> Ced

Feel free to join us and improve the things

   https://cygwin.com/contrib.html

Regards
Marco

Re: BugZilla for Cygwin, PLEASE!

[Brian Inglis]

On 2023-12-18 05:26, marco atzeri via Cygwin wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM Cedric Blancher  wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 07:58, Marco Atzeri  wrote:
>>> On 18/12/2023 07:45, Dan Shelton via Cygwin wrote:
>>>> I don't see whether this has been discussed before,
>>>> but PLEASE could Cygwin get a bug tracker (BUGZILLA!)?

>>> https://cygwin.com/acronyms/#SHTDI
>>> the bandwidth of current maintainers is the major constraint
>>> The current bugtracker is this mailing list

>> Yeah, from a project administrator and project management  viewpoint
>> this is just stupid.

> Maybe, but it works for us.

>> A bug tracker like Bugzilla would improve the "little bandwidth" the
>> maintainers have, by organising them better. It would make them more
>> efficient. That said, PLEASE don't use JIRA or AZURE bugtracker, that
>> would be an overkill and lead to worse performance. Just plain old
>> Bugzilla.

> You are assuming that we are a coordinated large team.
> We are few maintainers working very asynchronous
> Feel free to join us and improve the things
>     https://cygwin.com/contrib.html

 From what I've seen from entering bugs into various BugZilla and similar 
systems, that's where bugs go to be ignored, perhaps discussed, marked WONTFIX 
or low priority, and left to linger, often for years or decades, before being 
addressed or just closed.

Volunteer project managers each have their own priorities and availability, and 
volunteer developers each have their own interests and availability, and they 
may not align, so developers may not jump in to deal with what project managers 
think need handled, and sometimes volunteers wear both hats, so have to decide 
how much of their limited time to spend on each role.

At least on this list, users, maintainers, and developers can have a discussion, 
  when they have time available to respond, and if agreed, provide a fix in a 
reasonable timeframe for the next stable release, with test snapshots or 
releases often available frequently.

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis              Calgary, Alberta, Canada

La perfection est atteinte                   Perfection is achieved
non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter  not when there is no more to add
mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retirer     but when there is no more to cut
                                 -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry