location of msmtp system-wide configuration

location of msmtp system-wide configuration

[Stephen Carrier]

The latest verion of the msmtp package: 1.8.5+20190811+git7912c76-1 .
Differs from the previous version: 1.6.6-1 .

In that the location of the system-wide configuration file is changed
from /etc/msmtprc to /usr/etc/msmtprc.

I think this has the potential to break installations during an upgrade.

In my case it only confused me as I set up a new system.

Please consider changing this default back to what it was for the
convenience of those who will otherwise need to figure this out.

thanks,

Stephen Carrier

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Re: location of msmtp system-wide configuration

[Brian Inglis]

On 2019-10-01 18:47, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> The latest verion of the msmtp package: 1.8.5+20190811+git7912c76-1 .
> Differs from the previous version: 1.6.6-1 .
> 
> In that the location of the system-wide configuration file is changed
> from /etc/msmtprc to /usr/etc/msmtprc.
> 
> I think this has the potential to break installations during an upgrade.
> 
> In my case it only confused me as I set up a new system.
> 
> Please consider changing this default back to what it was for the
> convenience of those who will otherwise need to figure this out.

Definitely not a standard location and nothing there currently on my system.
The package contents shows only server configuration, nothing on /usr/etc/, no
defaults provided in /etc/defaults/usr/etc/, and /usr/bin/msmtp-config defaults
the CONFDIR to /etc, so unless you have a symlink, link or junction from /etc to
/usr/etc, or changed the location during the server config, /etc/ should have
been used.

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Re: location of msmtp system-wide configuration

[Stephen Carrier]

On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:43:40PM -0600, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2019-10-01 18:47, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> > The latest verion of the msmtp package: 1.8.5+20190811+git7912c76-1 .
> > Differs from the previous version: 1.6.6-1 .
> > 
> > In that the location of the system-wide configuration file is changed
> > from /etc/msmtprc to /usr/etc/msmtprc.
> > 
> > I think this has the potential to break installations during an upgrade.
> > 
> > In my case it only confused me as I set up a new system.
> > 
> > Please consider changing this default back to what it was for the
> > convenience of those who will otherwise need to figure this out.
> 
> Definitely not a standard location and nothing there currently on my system.
> The package contents shows only server configuration, nothing on /usr/etc/, no
> defaults provided in /etc/defaults/usr/etc/, and /usr/bin/msmtp-config defaults
> the CONFDIR to /etc, so unless you have a symlink, link or junction from /etc to
> /usr/etc, or changed the location during the server config, /etc/ should have
> been used.

This is not what I meant.  The package doesn't provide a configuration
file.  msmtp-config generates one in /etc/msmtprc, exactly as I would
want and expect since that's where to find the configuration file for
previous versions.

The problem is that the binary looks for its configuration file in a
different place:

-----
$ msmtp --version
msmtp version 1.8.5
Platform: x86_64-pc-cygwin
....
System configuration file name: /usr/etc/msmtprc
....
-----

and only after I moved the configuration file to that nonstandard location
would msmtp start working instead of complaining that it couldn't find
any configuration file.

This seems like something that could be fixed by tweaking the package
build scripts; I think it would be great to do that.

Thanks,

Stephen Carrier

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Re: msmtp 1.8.5 built using ${prefix}/${SYSCONFDIR}

[Brian Inglis]

On 2019-10-02 12:18, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:43:40PM -0600, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> On 2019-10-01 18:47, Stephen Carrier wrote:
>>> The latest verion of the msmtp package: 1.8.5+20190811+git7912c76-1 .
>>> Differs from the previous version: 1.6.6-1 .
>>>
>>> In that the location of the system-wide configuration file is changed
>>> from /etc/msmtprc to /usr/etc/msmtprc.
>>>
>>> I think this has the potential to break installations during an upgrade.
>>>
>>> In my case it only confused me as I set up a new system.
>>>
>>> Please consider changing this default back to what it was for the
>>> convenience of those who will otherwise need to figure this out.
>>
>> Definitely not a standard location and nothing there currently on my system.
>> The package contents shows only server configuration, nothing on /usr/etc/, no
>> defaults provided in /etc/defaults/usr/etc/, and /usr/bin/msmtp-config defaults
>> the CONFDIR to /etc, so unless you have a symlink, link or junction from /etc to
>> /usr/etc, or changed the location during the server config, /etc/ should have
>> been used.
> 
> This is not what I meant.  The package doesn't provide a configuration
> file.  msmtp-config generates one in /etc/msmtprc, exactly as I would
> want and expect since that's where to find the configuration file for
> previous versions.
> 
> The problem is that the binary looks for its configuration file in a
> different place:

> $ msmtp --version
> msmtp version 1.8.5
> Platform: x86_64-pc-cygwin
> ....
> System configuration file name: /usr/etc/msmtprc

> and only after I moved the configuration file to that nonstandard location
> would msmtp start working instead of complaining that it couldn't find
> any configuration file.
> 
> This seems like something that could be fixed by tweaking the package
> build scripts; I think it would be great to do that.

So this is a discrepancy between the built exe and the config script, which
should be resolved by having the built exe use the standard SYSCONFDIR, by
removing ${prefix} from its definition.
[changing subject]

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Re: msmtp 1.8.5 built using ${prefix}/${SYSCONFDIR}

[Stephen Carrier]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:38:13PM -0600, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2019-10-02 12:18, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:43:40PM -0600, Brian Inglis wrote:
> >> On 2019-10-01 18:47, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> >>> The latest verion of the msmtp package: 1.8.5+20190811+git7912c76-1 .
> >>> Differs from the previous version: 1.6.6-1 .
> >>>
> >>> In that the location of the system-wide configuration file is changed
> >>> from /etc/msmtprc to /usr/etc/msmtprc.
> >>>
> >>> I think this has the potential to break installations during an upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> In my case it only confused me as I set up a new system.
> >>>
> >>> Please consider changing this default back to what it was for the
> >>> convenience of those who will otherwise need to figure this out.
> >>
> >> Definitely not a standard location and nothing there currently on my system.
> >> The package contents shows only server configuration, nothing on /usr/etc/, no
> >> defaults provided in /etc/defaults/usr/etc/, and /usr/bin/msmtp-config defaults
> >> the CONFDIR to /etc, so unless you have a symlink, link or junction from /etc to
> >> /usr/etc, or changed the location during the server config, /etc/ should have
> >> been used.
> > 
> > This is not what I meant.  The package doesn't provide a configuration
> > file.  msmtp-config generates one in /etc/msmtprc, exactly as I would
> > want and expect since that's where to find the configuration file for
> > previous versions.
> > 
> > The problem is that the binary looks for its configuration file in a
> > different place:
> 
> > $ msmtp --version
> > msmtp version 1.8.5
> > Platform: x86_64-pc-cygwin
> > ....
> > System configuration file name: /usr/etc/msmtprc
> 
> > and only after I moved the configuration file to that nonstandard location
> > would msmtp start working instead of complaining that it couldn't find
> > any configuration file.
> > 
> > This seems like something that could be fixed by tweaking the package
> > build scripts; I think it would be great to do that.
> 
> So this is a discrepancy between the built exe and the config script, which
> should be resolved by having the built exe use the standard SYSCONFDIR, by
> removing ${prefix} from its definition.
> [changing subject]

Could the package maintainer join in?  I don't see how discussing the
minutae of the build process actually helps without the maintainer's
participation.

Pre-existing msmtp installations use /etc/msmtprc, and the current
configuration script creates a valid configuration in that same location.
Clearly, fixing the binary and not the configuration script is the way
forward, unless there is compelling reason to move the configuration
file from where it used to be.

Thanks,

Stephen Carrier

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Re: msmtp 1.8.5 built using ${prefix}/${SYSCONFDIR}

[Ken Brown]

On 10/9/2019 4:03 PM, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:38:13PM -0600, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> On 2019-10-02 12:18, Stephen Carrier wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 08:43:40PM -0600, Brian Inglis wrote:
>>>> On 2019-10-01 18:47, Stephen Carrier wrote:
>>>>> The latest verion of the msmtp package: 1.8.5+20190811+git7912c76-1 .
>>>>> Differs from the previous version: 1.6.6-1 .
>>>>>
>>>>> In that the location of the system-wide configuration file is changed
>>>>> from /etc/msmtprc to /usr/etc/msmtprc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this has the potential to break installations during an upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case it only confused me as I set up a new system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please consider changing this default back to what it was for the
>>>>> convenience of those who will otherwise need to figure this out.
>>>>
>>>> Definitely not a standard location and nothing there currently on my system.
>>>> The package contents shows only server configuration, nothing on /usr/etc/, no
>>>> defaults provided in /etc/defaults/usr/etc/, and /usr/bin/msmtp-config defaults
>>>> the CONFDIR to /etc, so unless you have a symlink, link or junction from /etc to
>>>> /usr/etc, or changed the location during the server config, /etc/ should have
>>>> been used.
>>>
>>> This is not what I meant.  The package doesn't provide a configuration
>>> file.  msmtp-config generates one in /etc/msmtprc, exactly as I would
>>> want and expect since that's where to find the configuration file for
>>> previous versions.
>>>
>>> The problem is that the binary looks for its configuration file in a
>>> different place:
>>
>>> $ msmtp --version
>>> msmtp version 1.8.5
>>> Platform: x86_64-pc-cygwin
>>> ....
>>> System configuration file name: /usr/etc/msmtprc
>>
>>> and only after I moved the configuration file to that nonstandard location
>>> would msmtp start working instead of complaining that it couldn't find
>>> any configuration file.
>>>
>>> This seems like something that could be fixed by tweaking the package
>>> build scripts; I think it would be great to do that.
>>
>> So this is a discrepancy between the built exe and the config script, which
>> should be resolved by having the built exe use the standard SYSCONFDIR, by
>> removing ${prefix} from its definition.
>> [changing subject]
> 
> Could the package maintainer join in?  I don't see how discussing the
> minutae of the build process actually helps without the maintainer's
> participation.
> 
> Pre-existing msmtp installations use /etc/msmtprc, and the current
> configuration script creates a valid configuration in that same location.
> Clearly, fixing the binary and not the configuration script is the way
> forward, unless there is compelling reason to move the configuration
> file from where it used to be.

I've added the maintainer, Jari Aalto, to the Cc.  I don't think he reads the 
list regularly.

Ken

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Re: msmtp 1.8.5 built using ${prefix}/${SYSCONFDIR}

[Jari Aalto]

On 2019-10-09 20:10, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 10/9/2019 4:03 PM, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> >>> $ msmtp --version
> >>> msmtp version 1.8.5
> >>> Platform: x86_64-pc-cygwin
> >>> ....
> >>> System configuration file name: /usr/etc/msmtprc
>
> >>
> >> So this is a discrepancy between the built exe and the config script, which
> >> should be resolved by having the built exe use the standard SYSCONFDIR, by
> >> removing ${prefix} from its definition.
> >> [changing subject]
> 
> I've added the maintainer, Jari Aalto, to the Cc.  I don't think he reads the 
> list regularly.

Thanks, new releau uploaded with the fix
Jari

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Re: msmtp 1.8.5 built using ${prefix}/${SYSCONFDIR}

[Stephen Carrier]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 01:09:14PM +0300, Jari Aalto wrote:
> On 2019-10-09 20:10, Ken Brown wrote:
> > On 10/9/2019 4:03 PM, Stephen Carrier wrote:
> > >>> $ msmtp --version
> > >>> msmtp version 1.8.5
> > >>> Platform: x86_64-pc-cygwin
> > >>> ....
> > >>> System configuration file name: /usr/etc/msmtprc
> >
> > >>
> > >> So this is a discrepancy between the built exe and the config script, which
> > >> should be resolved by having the built exe use the standard SYSCONFDIR, by
> > >> removing ${prefix} from its definition.
> > >> [changing subject]
> > 
> > I've added the maintainer, Jari Aalto, to the Cc.  I don't think he reads the 
> > list regularly.
> 
> Thanks, new releau uploaded with the fix
> Jari

Thank you!  I have installed and it resolves the issue.

--Stephen

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