RE: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

RE: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Kristin Hofstee]

Thanks for the tips.  Could you also point me to the most recent
stable version or non-alpha version?

Kristin

> On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:01, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I searched the documentation and the archives about this problem.  I realize
> > that it`s been answered before but I wasn`t quite satisfied with what I found.
> > 
> > I`m building eCos on Windows NT 4.0.  Installation of the tools and so forth
> > went swimmingly (mostly).
> > 
>
> First of all, please get newer sources.  Version 1.3.1 is *incredibly* 
> old and out of date.  Any questions you have regarding that version
> will certainly have already been answered.  Either get the latest stuff
> directly from CVS or you can get a snapshot from 
>  http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/

> Also, I believe the problem with the makefiles, etc, was fixed in the 
> latest Windows ConfigTool which is available via
>  http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/ct2.html
>
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RE: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Gary Thomas]

On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 04:47, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the tips.  Could you also point me to the most recent
> stable version or non-alpha version?
> 

The current version is only labeled "alpha" for licensing reasons,
not because there is a lot of new or untested code.  It's your best
place to start.

> Kristin
> 
> > On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:01, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I searched the documentation and the archives about this problem.  I realize
> > > that it`s been answered before but I wasn`t quite satisfied with what I found.
> > > 
> > > I`m building eCos on Windows NT 4.0.  Installation of the tools and so forth
> > > went swimmingly (mostly).
> > > 
> >
> > First of all, please get newer sources.  Version 1.3.1 is *incredibly* 
> > old and out of date.  Any questions you have regarding that version
> > will certainly have already been answered.  Either get the latest stuff
> > directly from CVS or you can get a snapshot from 
> >  http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/
> 
> > Also, I believe the problem with the makefiles, etc, was fixed in the 
> > latest Windows ConfigTool which is available via
> >  http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/ct2.html
> >
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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Peter Vandenabeele]

On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 06:36:26AM -0600, Gary Thomas wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 04:47, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for the tips.  Could you also point me to the most recent
> > stable version or non-alpha version?
>
> The current version is only labeled "alpha" for licensing reasons,
> not because there is a lot of new or untested code.  It's your best
> place to start.

This is still not entirely clear to me.

Some time ago I read on this list that version 2.0 was not yet ready
as a "stable release" (pity I can't find back that message). Also the
Red Hat side on eCos heavily points towards 1.3.x versions.

On the other hand, newcomers that downloaded version 1.3.x get the 
typical advice to upgraded to the latest CVS version 
(the most recent I could see is ecos-v2-alpha-snap-2002-10-14.tar.bz2
from http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/).

So, my questions:
(a) what is currently the best version to start off for a 
    "conservative/efficient" development ? 
    (we used 1.3.x in the past and this worked fine, but now, 
    the situation is not entirely clear to me).
(b) what is the schedule to move 2.0 to beta and stable releases ?

Thanks,

Peter

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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Jonathan Larmour]

Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 06:36:26AM -0600, Gary Thomas wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 04:47, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks for the tips.  Could you also point me to the most recent
>>>stable version or non-alpha version?
>>
>>The current version is only labeled "alpha" for licensing reasons,
>>not because there is a lot of new or untested code.  It's your best
>>place to start.
> 
> 
> This is still not entirely clear to me.
> 
> Some time ago I read on this list that version 2.0 was not yet ready
> as a "stable release" (pity I can't find back that message). 

Indeed a proper release would come later. What's mentioned was an alpha 
because it was a repository snapshot, that's all. It doesn't have a proper 
installer for windows, RPM for linux, and hasn't been QA'd per se. But 
it's no worse than any other repository snapshot.

 > Also the
> Red Hat side on eCos heavily points towards 1.3.x versions.

http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/install-linux.html and 
http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/install-windows.html both say at the top:

-=-=-=-=-
The latest development versions of eCos are now provided via the  eCos 
anonymous CVS repository, and it is strongly recommended that wherever 
possible this mechanism is used in preference to downloading eCos 1.3.1. 
eCos 1.3.1 does not have the functionality, platform coverage, nor bug 
fixes that are available in the latest versions of eCos.
-=-=-=-=-

> On the other hand, newcomers that downloaded version 1.3.x get the 
> typical advice to upgraded to the latest CVS version 
> (the most recent I could see is ecos-v2-alpha-snap-2002-10-14.tar.bz2
> from http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/).
> 
> So, my questions:
> (a) what is currently the best version to start off for a 
>     "conservative/efficient" development ? 
>     (we used 1.3.x in the past and this worked fine, but now, 
>     the situation is not entirely clear to me).

I could not bear to advise anyone to use 1.3.x, and I personally wouldn't 
help anyone who was using it.

> (b) what is the schedule to move 2.0 to beta and stable releases ?

Schedule? None now. It's more a case of "X, Y, and Z need to be done 
first". That includes the patch backlog, website overhaul, and severe 
rewriting of big chunks of docs. And we've now lost a lot of the release 
infrastructure that was in place in Red Hat and we'd expected to use and 
that will need to be recreated. And then there's the QA of the sources, 
for which we'll now need substantial net input (there's no point starting 
this effort till the previous bits are done really, otherwise the source 
base will have moved on).

Won't be this year, put it like that.

Jifl
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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Peter Vandenabeele]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:21:54AM +0100, Jonathan Larmour wrote:
> Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
[...]
> > (b) what is the schedule to move 2.0 to beta and stable releases ?
> 
> Schedule? None now. It's more a case of "X, Y, and Z need to be done 
> first". That includes the patch backlog, website overhaul, and severe 
> rewriting of big chunks of docs. And we've now lost a lot of the release 
> infrastructure that was in place in Red Hat and we'd expected to use and 
> that will need to be recreated. 

Is there help we (or other interested parties) can offer ? Maybe some 
of the work/servers/infrastructure/cost centers can be spread over different 
parties to reach the result faster and spread the workload/cost ?

When the core CVS servers are not longer at Red Hat, we really need to 
reconsider the Copyright Assignment to Red Hat. I would not be happy if Red Hat 
sold the Copyright e.g. to a vendor of Closed Source OS's which could then 
include it into a proprietary product without payback to the contributions
from the community that has now formed outside of Red Hat. We figured out 
before that the current licensing scheme would legally allow this to Red Hat.

> And then there's the QA of the sources, 
> for which we'll now need substantial net input (there's no point starting 
> this effort till the previous bits are done really, otherwise the source 
> base will have moved on).
> 
> Won't be this year, put it like that.

Thanks for the update. It helped me understanding the versioning strategy 
better.

Peter
 
> Jifl

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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Jonathan Larmour]

Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:21:54AM +0100, Jonathan Larmour wrote:
> 
>>Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>(b) what is the schedule to move 2.0 to beta and stable releases ?
>>
>>Schedule? None now. It's more a case of "X, Y, and Z need to be done 
>>first". That includes the patch backlog, website overhaul, and severe 
>>rewriting of big chunks of docs. And we've now lost a lot of the release 
>>infrastructure that was in place in Red Hat and we'd expected to use and 
>>that will need to be recreated. 
> 
> 
> Is there help we (or other interested parties) can offer ? Maybe some 
> of the work/servers/infrastructure/cost centers can be spread over different 
> parties to reach the result faster and spread the workload/cost ?

Yes, definitely, but not just yet :-). Please remember the offer for the 
future though :-).

> When the core CVS servers are not longer at Red Hat, we really need to 
> reconsider the Copyright Assignment to Red Hat. I would not be happy if Red Hat 
> sold the Copyright e.g. to a vendor of Closed Source OS's which could then 
> include it into a proprietary product without payback to the contributions
> from the community that has now formed outside of Red Hat. We figured out 
> before that the current licensing scheme would legally allow this to Red Hat.

The CVS servers can remain at Red Hat (no reason not to), and the 
assignment is an orthogonal issue from that anyway. I'm sorry there hasn't 
been much movement here, but you'll have to believe me when I say there's 
a good reason!

I do agree there needs to be a resolution in this area, and it is being 
worked on, but (out of necessity) away from the public gaze.

Jifl
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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Peter Vandenabeele]

On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 01:36:33AM +0100, Jonathan Larmour wrote:
> Peter Vandenabeele wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:21:54AM +0100, Jonathan Larmour wrote:
[...]
> Yes, definitely, but not just yet :-). Please remember the offer for the 
> future though :-).

I will remember :-)

[...]
> I do agree there needs to be a resolution in this area, and it is being 
> worked on, but (out of necessity) away from the public gaze.

Curious to see more,

Peter

> Jifl

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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Gary Thomas]

On Mon, 2002-09-23 at 03:39, Jani Monoses wrote:
> On 20 Sep 2002 10:13:31 -0600
> Gary Thomas <gthomas@ecoscentric.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:01, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I searched the documentation and the archives about this problem.  I realize
> > > that it`s been answered before but I wasn`t quite satisfied with what I found.
> > > 
> > > I`m building eCos on Windows NT 4.0.  Installation of the tools and so forth
> > > went swimmingly (mostly).
> > > 
> > 
> > First of all, please get newer sources.  Version 1.3.1 is *incredibly* 
> > old and out of date.  Any questions you have regarding that version
> > will certainly have already been answered.  Either get the latest stuff
> > directly from CVS or you can get a snapshot from 
> >   http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/
> > 
> 
> Since this happens too often wouldn't it be better to state on the ecos page 
> that 1.3.1 is too old and people get the CVS version.Even stated 3 times in a row.

We're working on improving the web pages and this will be one of
the first items fixed.

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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Jani Monoses]

On 20 Sep 2002 10:13:31 -0600
Gary Thomas <gthomas@ecoscentric.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:01, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I searched the documentation and the archives about this problem.  I realize
> > that it`s been answered before but I wasn`t quite satisfied with what I found.
> > 
> > I`m building eCos on Windows NT 4.0.  Installation of the tools and so forth
> > went swimmingly (mostly).
> > 
> 
> First of all, please get newer sources.  Version 1.3.1 is *incredibly* 
> old and out of date.  Any questions you have regarding that version
> will certainly have already been answered.  Either get the latest stuff
> directly from CVS or you can get a snapshot from 
>   http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/
> 

Since this happens too often wouldn't it be better to state on the ecos page 
that 1.3.1 is too old and people get the CVS version.Even stated 3 times in a row.

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Re: [ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Gary Thomas]

On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 10:01, Kristin Hofstee wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I searched the documentation and the archives about this problem.  I realize
> that it`s been answered before but I wasn`t quite satisfied with what I found.
> 
> I`m building eCos on Windows NT 4.0.  Installation of the tools and so forth
> went swimmingly (mostly).
> 

First of all, please get newer sources.  Version 1.3.1 is *incredibly* 
old and out of date.  Any questions you have regarding that version
will certainly have already been answered.  Either get the latest stuff
directly from CVS or you can get a snapshot from 
  http://www.ecoscentric.com/snapshots/

Also, I believe the problem with the makefiles, etc, was fixed in the 
latest Windows ConfigTool which is available via
  http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/ct2.html

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[ECOS] eCos build problem - wrong path for repository

[Kristin Hofstee]

Hi,

I searched the documentation and the archives about this problem.  I realize
that it`s been answered before but I wasn`t quite satisfied with what I found.

I`m building eCos on Windows NT 4.0.  Installation of the tools and so forth
went swimmingly (mostly).

Here my problem:

*** Process 319 created "make -j1"
make -r -C hal/arm/arch/v1_3_1 headers
make[1]: Entering directory `/cygdrive/d/ecos-work/trial_build/hal/arm/arch/v1_3_1'
makefile:91: //D/eCos/packages/pkgconf/rules.mak: No such host or network path
make[1]: *** No rule to make target `//D/eCos/packages/pkgconf/rules.mak'.  Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/cygdrive/d/ecos-work/trial_build/hal/arm/arch/v1_3_1'
make: *** [headers] Error 2

Cleary //D/eCos/packages/.... should be /cygdrive/d/...
In the makefile the $REPOSITORY variable is set wrong.  Where is this makefile
generated from?  Is there a quick fix to this other than just manually changing
the makefile?  

This is what was automatically mounted during installation.
bash-2.05b$ mount
D:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\lib\X11\fonts on /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts type user (binmode
)
D:\cygwin\bin on /usr/bin type user (binmode)
D:\cygwin\lib on /usr/lib type user (binmode)
D:\cygwin on / type user (binmode)
c: on /cygdrive/c type user (binmode,noumount)
d: on /cygdrive/d type user (binmode,noumount)
e: on /cygdrive/e type user (binmode,noumount)
g: on /cygdrive/g type user (binmode,noumount)
h: on /cygdrive/h type user (binmode,noumount)
z: on /cygdrive/z type user (binmode,noumount)

Here's what I have in the root directory:
bash-2.05b$ ls
bin  cygwin.bat  cygwin.ico  etc  lib  sbin  src  tmp  tools  usr  var

Now /cygdrive is in there too but doesn't get listed.  Why?
(I know, now that two questions!)

Please help!

thank you,
Kristin

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