* [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board @ 2005-07-11 10:51 R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 11:41 ` Andrew Lunn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: R Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss Hi all, I have been asked to recommend a suitable board that is x86 based and runs Linux as well as eCos. I have gone to the homepage that says Hardware supported, but it does not give specific boards for x86 based boards. Can anyone please help me. Cost of the board and the people who supply them also would be a great help. -- Vamshi -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 10:51 [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board R Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 11:41 ` Andrew Lunn 2005-07-11 13:12 ` R Vamshi Krishna 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: R Vamshi Krishna; +Cc: ecos-discuss On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:29:58PM +0530, R Vamshi Krishna wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have been asked to recommend a suitable board that is x86 based and runs > Linux as well as eCos. I have gone to the homepage that says Hardware > supported, but it does not give specific boards for x86 based boards. > > Can anyone please help me. > Cost of the board and the people who supply them also would be a great > help. eCos should work on most PC motherboards. Linux works on nearly all PC motherboards. So why not use a PC motherboard? Andrew -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 11:41 ` Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 13:12 ` R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 13:16 ` Andrew Lunn ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: R Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that is it possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. And we have ideflash. Is it possible to have the application on the hard-drive/usb-pen drive /flash such that manual loading can be done away with. Sorry if the question is too naive .. -- Vamshi On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Andrew Lunn wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:29:58PM +0530, R Vamshi Krishna wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I have been asked to recommend a suitable board that is x86 based and runs >> Linux as well as eCos. I have gone to the homepage that says Hardware >> supported, but it does not give specific boards for x86 based boards. >> >> Can anyone please help me. >> Cost of the board and the people who supply them also would be a great >> help. > > eCos should work on most PC motherboards. Linux works on nearly all PC > motherboards. So why not use a PC motherboard? > > Andrew > > -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 13:12 ` R Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 13:16 ` Andrew Lunn 2005-07-11 13:20 ` R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 13:23 ` [ECOS] " Nick Garnett 2005-07-11 14:37 ` [ECOS] " Grant Edwards 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: R Vamshi Krishna; +Cc: ecos-discuss On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:41:38PM +0530, R Vamshi Krishna wrote: > > Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that is it > possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? > > We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. > And we have ideflash. > > Is it possible to have the application on the hard-drive/usb-pen drive > /flash such that manual loading can be done away with. > > Sorry if the question is too naive .. I think if you use grub on the hard disk this should be possible. I've not done it myself though.... Andrew -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 13:16 ` Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 13:20 ` R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 13:32 ` [ECOS] LCD GUI? Stefan Sommerfeld 2005-07-11 14:38 ` [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board Grant Edwards 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: R Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss Actually we are doing this for an small automotive, which we have been building. Now I think durin experiments, the hard-disk might not withstand the physical strain. So is it possible to boot from usb ? -- Vamshi On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Andrew Lunn wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:41:38PM +0530, R Vamshi Krishna wrote: >> >> Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that is it >> possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? >> >> We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. >> And we have ideflash. >> >> Is it possible to have the application on the hard-drive/usb-pen drive >> /flash such that manual loading can be done away with. >> >> Sorry if the question is too naive .. > > I think if you use grub on the hard disk this should be possible. I've > not done it myself though.... > > Andrew > > -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [ECOS] LCD GUI? 2005-07-11 13:20 ` R Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 13:32 ` Stefan Sommerfeld 2005-07-11 14:07 ` Andrew Lunn 2005-07-11 15:28 ` Savin Zlobec 2005-07-11 14:38 ` [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board Grant Edwards 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Stefan Sommerfeld @ 2005-07-11 13:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss Hi, I'm using a 192x32 pixel dot matrix display and i'm searching for a easy to use GUI system. Nothing special, just printing some text or scrolling. Is there a GUI available which easily runs with eCos? Bye... -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] LCD GUI? 2005-07-11 13:32 ` [ECOS] LCD GUI? Stefan Sommerfeld @ 2005-07-11 14:07 ` Andrew Lunn 2005-07-11 14:20 ` Gary Thomas 2005-07-11 14:32 ` Stefan Sommerfeld 2005-07-11 15:28 ` Savin Zlobec 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Sommerfeld; +Cc: ecos-discuss On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:30:24PM +0200, Stefan Sommerfeld wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using a 192x32 pixel dot matrix display and i'm searching for a easy to > use GUI system. Nothing special, just printing some text or scrolling. > > Is there a GUI available which easily runs with eCos? packages/services/gfx/mw Andrew -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] LCD GUI? 2005-07-11 14:07 ` Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 14:20 ` Gary Thomas 2005-07-11 14:32 ` Stefan Sommerfeld 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gary Thomas @ 2005-07-11 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Lunn; +Cc: Stefan Sommerfeld, eCos Discussion On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 16:06 +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 03:30:24PM +0200, Stefan Sommerfeld wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm using a 192x32 pixel dot matrix display and i'm searching for a easy to > > use GUI system. Nothing special, just printing some text or scrolling. > > > > Is there a GUI available which easily runs with eCos? > > packages/services/gfx/mw Note: MicroWindows is a bit heavy, albeit pretty complete GUI. You could also look at the various low level LCD drivers, e.g. .../hal/arm/edb7xxx/current/src/lcd_support.c (there are many other similar ones) These can easily be adapted to provide just simple text output to an LCD, etc. -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Thomas | Consulting for the MLB Associates | Embedded world ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] LCD GUI? 2005-07-11 14:07 ` Andrew Lunn 2005-07-11 14:20 ` Gary Thomas @ 2005-07-11 14:32 ` Stefan Sommerfeld 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Stefan Sommerfeld @ 2005-07-11 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss Hi, >> >> I'm using a 192x32 pixel dot matrix display and i'm searching for a easy >> to >> use GUI system. Nothing special, just printing some text or scrolling. >> >> Is there a GUI available which easily runs with eCos? > > packages/services/gfx/mw > I already saw this, but didn't look into it. Isn't this a bit to heavy? I just need some text to display and no windows. Bye... -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] LCD GUI? 2005-07-11 13:32 ` [ECOS] LCD GUI? Stefan Sommerfeld 2005-07-11 14:07 ` Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 15:28 ` Savin Zlobec 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Savin Zlobec @ 2005-07-11 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Sommerfeld; +Cc: ecos-discuss Stefan Sommerfeld wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using a 192x32 pixel dot matrix display and i'm searching for a > easy to use GUI system. Nothing special, just printing some text or > scrolling. > > Is there a GUI available which easily runs with eCos? Take a look at http://www.elatec.si/pw-041020.tgz - it is a lightweight windowing graphic library. (with eCos synthetic driver included) savin -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 13:20 ` R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 13:32 ` [ECOS] LCD GUI? Stefan Sommerfeld @ 2005-07-11 14:38 ` Grant Edwards 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Grant Edwards @ 2005-07-11 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss In gmane.os.ecos.general, you wrote: > Actually we are doing this for an small automotive, which we > have been building. Now I think durin experiments, the > hard-disk might not withstand the physical strain. > > So is it possible to boot from usb ? That depends on the BIOS. On newer boards it usually is. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! GOOD-NIGHT, at everybody... Now I have to visi.com go administer FIRST-AID to mypet LEISURE SUIT!! -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 13:12 ` R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 13:16 ` Andrew Lunn @ 2005-07-11 13:23 ` Nick Garnett 2005-07-11 14:37 ` [ECOS] " Grant Edwards 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Nick Garnett @ 2005-07-11 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: R Vamshi Krishna; +Cc: ecos-discuss R Vamshi Krishna <vamshi@cse.iitb.ac.in> writes: > Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that is it > possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? > > We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. > And we have ideflash. > > Is it possible to have the application on the hard-drive/usb-pen drive > /flash such that manual loading can be done away with. > > Sorry if the question is too naive .. If you install GRUB on the boot device then RedBoot can be booted from there. If you are also booting Linux you will need it anyway. eCos applications can also be loaded directly from GRUB. -- Nick Garnett eCos Kernel Architect http://www.ecoscentric.com The eCos and RedBoot experts -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 13:12 ` R Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 13:16 ` Andrew Lunn 2005-07-11 13:23 ` [ECOS] " Nick Garnett @ 2005-07-11 14:37 ` Grant Edwards 2005-07-11 15:37 ` R. Vamshi Krishna 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Grant Edwards @ 2005-07-11 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss In gmane.os.ecos.general, you wrote: > Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that > is it possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? Just don't install one? About half of my Linux boxes don't have floppy disk drives. > We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. And we > have ideflash. OK. > > Is it possible to have the application on the > hard-drive/usb-pen drive /flash such that manual loading can > be done away with. I don't understand teh question. Assuming it _is_ a question. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I just had my entire at INTESTINAL TRACT coated visi.com with TEFLON! -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 14:37 ` [ECOS] " Grant Edwards @ 2005-07-11 15:37 ` R. Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 16:04 ` Grant Edwards ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: R. Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss Grant Edwards wrote: >In gmane.os.ecos.general, you wrote: > > > >>Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that >>is it possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? >> >> > >Just don't install one? About half of my Linux boxes don't >have floppy disk drives. > > > >>We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. And we >>have ideflash. >> >> > >OK. > > > >>Is it possible to have the application on the >>hard-drive/usb-pen drive /flash such that manual loading can >>be done away with. >> >> > >I don't understand teh question. Assuming it _is_ a question. > > What I meant was that so far with i386 PC as target I had been booting using FLOPPY + Redboot. Can I do away with the floppy drive and boot the pc/board and load the application using ideflash and/or usb pendrive ?? -- Vamshi -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 15:37 ` R. Vamshi Krishna @ 2005-07-11 16:04 ` Grant Edwards 2005-07-11 19:59 ` Frank Pagliughi 2005-07-11 20:26 ` Frank Pagliughi 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Grant Edwards @ 2005-07-11 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ecos-discuss In gmane.os.ecos.general, you wrote: > What I meant was that so far with i386 PC as target I had been booting > using FLOPPY + Redboot. > > Can I do away with the floppy drive and boot the pc/board and > load the application using ideflash and/or usb pendrive ?? You can boot from anything your BIOS supports booting from. If your flash memory emulates an IDE disk drive, then you should be able to boot from it. If your BIOS supports booting from USB mass-storage devices, then you can boot from the pen drive. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I OWN six pink at HIPPOS!! visi.com -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 15:37 ` R. Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 16:04 ` Grant Edwards @ 2005-07-11 19:59 ` Frank Pagliughi 2005-07-11 20:26 ` Frank Pagliughi 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Frank Pagliughi @ 2005-07-11 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: R. Vamshi Krishna; +Cc: ecos-discuss R. Vamshi Krishna wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > >> In gmane.os.ecos.general, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that >>> is it possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? >>> >> >> >> Just don't install one? About half of my Linux boxes don't >> have floppy disk drives. >> >> >> >>> We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. And we >>> have ideflash. >>> >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >>> Is it possible to have the application on the >>> hard-drive/usb-pen drive /flash such that manual loading can >>> be done away with. >>> >> >> >> I don't understand teh question. Assuming it _is_ a question. >> >> > What I meant was that so far with i386 PC as target I had been booting > using FLOPPY + Redboot. > > Can I do away with the floppy drive and boot the pc/board and load the > application using ideflash and/or > usb pendrive ?? > -- Vamshi > > I've been using eCos and Linux on a number of different PC/104 boards, which are small format, somewhat hardened, and fully PC compatible. There are dozens of manufacturers of motherboards, and I have successfully tested eCos & Linux on boards from WinSystems and Tri-M, and assume it should work on boards from any reputable manufacturer. When you have eCos in mind, one thing to look for at is the Ethernet controller. Many of the embedded boards come with an I82559ER (or similar) controller. This works out-of-the-box with eCos. You'd be forced to write a device driver for most of the other controllers. For Linux, a thing to watch is the processor. Many of the lower to mid-cost boards ship with the AMD SC520 processor. This works fine, but appears as a 486 to Linux. Since many desktop distributions now ship for Pentiums, you will need to recompile the kernel, or look toward an embedded distribution. You'd probably want to do one or the other anyway. Booting is the biggest headache. Most boards come with a standard IDE connector, but it's more common to embed a device with a DiskOnChip (DOC) or IDE-based Compact Flash. CF chips are MUCH easier to deal with because they appear to be IDE drives to the OS. You can load GRUB onto either, but it takes some patching/compiling to get it onto a DiskOnChip. A few years back a patch appeared to get RedBoot to boot from a DiskOnChip or IDE drive, but never made it into the eCos mainline. I've used the patch sucessfully to boot off either the DOC or an IDE-CF drive. The patch is still available at: www.elsis.si/ecos/ but it only applies cleanly to the old source tree (around May 2002). For using a DOC, it's a bit of a Catch-22. You need to install Linux on the embedded board, with the kernel recompiled to support MTD devices. Only then can you access the partitions on the DOC. Frank Pagliughi -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [ECOS] Re: A suitable x86 based board 2005-07-11 15:37 ` R. Vamshi Krishna 2005-07-11 16:04 ` Grant Edwards 2005-07-11 19:59 ` Frank Pagliughi @ 2005-07-11 20:26 ` Frank Pagliughi 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Frank Pagliughi @ 2005-07-11 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: R. Vamshi Krishna; +Cc: ecos-discuss R. Vamshi Krishna wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: > >> In gmane.os.ecos.general, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> Yeah PC Motherboard is also fine. But what I wanted was that >>> is it possible to do away with a floppy drive totally ? >>> >> >> >> Just don't install one? About half of my Linux boxes don't >> have floppy disk drives. >> >> >> >>> We have hard-disk/usb pen drive for logging data .. And we >>> have ideflash. >>> >> >> >> OK. >> >> >> >>> Is it possible to have the application on the >>> hard-drive/usb-pen drive /flash such that manual loading can >>> be done away with. >>> >> >> >> I don't understand teh question. Assuming it _is_ a question. >> >> > What I meant was that so far with i386 PC as target I had been booting > using FLOPPY + Redboot. > > Can I do away with the floppy drive and boot the pc/board and load the > application using ideflash and/or > usb pendrive ?? > -- Vamshi > > Oops, I almost forgot.... There's another way to boot eCos applications on an i386/PC: from DOS! There's an open-source DOS extender that's part of the OSLib project, by Luca Abeni. It's Multiboot compliant, so it can launch eCos executables if they're compiled correctly. It's called eXtender, and can be found at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=14468&package_id=13845 The idea I tried is not to use the extender to get in and out of DOS, but to boot into eCos at power-up and never return. I haven't done too much with it, but initial tests have worked well. I was mainly trying to get around the headaches of using eCos from the DiskOnChip. To use it, just compile eCos for GRUB startup type and select "Load into higher memory" (CYGHWR_HAL_I386_PC_LOAD_HIGH -> true). This will create a Multiboot compliant application and place it in a suitable memory area for the extender. (Note that there's a recent patch to eCos to allow you to use Load High with GRUB startup for just this purpose). Then load something like DOS, RomDOS, or FreeDOS onto the DiskOnChip and make an autoexec.bat file that launches your eCos app, using the extender. Frank Pagliughi -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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