* Frysk exceptions
@ 2007-11-14 21:26 Sami Wagiaalla
2007-11-14 21:56 ` Phil Muldoon
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From: Sami Wagiaalla @ 2007-11-14 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: frysk
I have been meaning to write this for a while to clarify to my self the
frysk strategy with respect to Exceptions and handling.
These are my practices; please tell me if you agree or disagree:
* All frysk exceptions are (should ?) be unchecked exceptions ie
extend RunTimeException.
* Exceptions should never ever be ignored.
* Exceptions can be ignored (handled) if they are specific enough (eg
operation XYZFailedException)
* Except for certain cases catch statements should be as specific as
possible.
So no catch(Exception e) statements, but
catch(SymboleNotFoundException e).
* Exceptions are better than returning null.
All other exceptions -which are not caught-, should be printed out in
the most obvious way possible. This tells the use that there is a bug in
frysk and that they should report it. The alternative (if it was logged,
or cleaned up) is that the user assumes it is a non fatal error and
continues to use frysk only to find it in a bad state much later.
Resulting a difficult problem to debug.
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* Re: Frysk exceptions
2007-11-14 21:26 Frysk exceptions Sami Wagiaalla
@ 2007-11-14 21:56 ` Phil Muldoon
2007-11-14 22:13 ` Sami Wagiaalla
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From: Phil Muldoon @ 2007-11-14 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sami Wagiaalla; +Cc: frysk
Sami Wagiaalla wrote:
> I have been meaning to write this for a while to clarify to my self
> the frysk strategy with respect to Exceptions and handling.
>
> These are my practices; please tell me if you agree or disagree:
>
> * All frysk exceptions are (should ?) be unchecked exceptions ie
> extend RunTimeException.
Right but they aren't. There are checked exceptions throughout the code
base from history. They will be fixed over time, but just a note that
they exist right now.
> * Exceptions should never ever be ignored.
One of the downsides of a unchecked exception is that one has to have a
good knowledge of the code-base to catch an unchecked exception. The
very nature of unchecked exceptions means they do not have to be
explicitly caught. That means all the usual ecj compiler checks will not
catch any leaks. Not sure what to do here, except that the top level
commands in fhpd/ui need to be very careful of intercepting said
unchecked exceptions. You can fix this by catching the big unchecked
exception superclass .....................
> So no catch(Exception e) statements, but
> catch(SymboleNotFoundException e).
This drills into the fact that one can expect to catch unchecked
exception foo, but rather unchecked exception bar happens instead which
is uncaught. Caution needs to be exercised that we are not falling into
the checked exception trap, even though the exception is unchecked. If
you start expecting callers to catch various different forms of
unchecked exceptions and creating a policy around that, then I think we
need a bit of a think on strategy. It creates a huge burden on the
caller of the api to have underlying knowledge of the code beyond that
api call. I constantly fall into the trap of writing code for myself,
but not to a wider unsuspecting audience. This is usually re-factored
out, but 5 years from now will user Joe know he has to catch several
different flavors of undeclared, unchecked exceptions?
> * Exceptions are better than returning null.
>
I cringe at NPEs in particular as they inform the user the programmer
was not diligent in checking the return of each function for sanity.
It's easy to do in chaining commands (ie foo().geBar().getFooBar()) but
I think from the user point of view it's pretty compelling evidence of
insufficient sanity checking.
Regards
Phil
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* Re: Frysk exceptions
2007-11-14 21:56 ` Phil Muldoon
@ 2007-11-14 22:13 ` Sami Wagiaalla
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From: Sami Wagiaalla @ 2007-11-14 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Phil Muldoon; +Cc: frysk
>> * Exceptions should never ever be ignored.
>
> One of the downsides of a unchecked exception is that one has to have
> a good knowledge of the code-base to catch an unchecked exception. The
> very nature of unchecked exceptions means they do not have to be
> explicitly caught. That means all the usual ecj compiler checks will
> not catch any leaks. Not sure what to do here, except that the top
> level commands in fhpd/ui need to be very careful of intercepting said
> unchecked exceptions.
I meant that exceptions should not be swallowed. As in catch(Exception
e){//mum}
> You can fix this by catching the big unchecked exception superclass
> .....................
>
>> So no catch(Exception e) statements, but
>> catch(SymboleNotFoundException e).
>
> This drills into the fact that one can expect to catch unchecked
> exception foo, but rather unchecked exception bar happens instead
> which is uncaught. Caution needs to be exercised that we are not
> falling into the checked exception trap, even though the exception is
> unchecked. If you start expecting callers to catch various different
> forms of unchecked exceptions and creating a policy around that, then
> I think we need a bit of a think on strategy. It creates a huge burden
> on the caller of the api to have underlying knowledge of the code
> beyond that api call. I constantly fall into the trap of writing code
> for myself, but not to a wider unsuspecting audience. This is usually
> re-factored out, but 5 years from now will user Joe know he has to
> catch several different flavors of undeclared, unchecked exceptions?
This is a good point. I hadent thought about it before. But, if Joe
runs his code and gets a SymboleNotFound exception they can relate that
to the function call they made and handle the exception.
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