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* [Bug other/105819] New: GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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            Bug ID: 105819
           Summary: GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and
                    under Mac OS X lion - I
           Product: gcc
           Version: 12.1.0
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: other
          Assignee: unassigned at gcc dot gnu.org
          Reporter: bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net
  Target Milestone: ---

Created attachment 53070
  --> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=53070&action=edit
config.log

Summary : although GCC 11.3.0 was built successfully, GCC 12.1.0 failed in
Make.
So, this is a possible regression, although investigation should be made by GCC
developers. Only compilation by GCC 4.9.4 (built with my Mac computer), not
tested by further GCC compilers such as GCC 65x or by LLVM/Clang.
So, not built nor installed..

OS Mac OS X Lion (10.7.5).
Compiler used : GCC 4.9.4 (built with your source code).
Microprocessor : Intel Core 2 Duo (x86_64).

Binutils : provided by Apple.

Kind regards,

Enclosed : 3 files : 1/ config.log, 2/ my-configure.log (displaying what
configure does), 3/ my-make .log.

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #1 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
Created attachment 53071
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my-configure.log

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #2 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
Created attachment 53072
  --> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=53072&action=edit
my-make.log (xz compressed)

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #3 from Jakub Jelinek <jakub at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
Seems that is because you are using , characters in directory name, those have
special meaning for -Wl option (are replaced by space).
I'd just suggest avoid such characters...

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #4 from Jakub Jelinek <jakub at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
Note, -Wl, etc. options don't have an escape mechanism, they just split the
argument on any , seen.

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #5 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
Thank you for your reply.
So, what have I to do ?
Please note that GCC v. 11.3.0 was successfully built and installed with the
same configuration (./configure).

Kind regards,

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #6 from Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
Try it again without using a directory called "_Source/_12,1,x"

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #7 from Andrew Pinski <pinskia at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
I wonder if we should document what characters in the directories could cause
issues. I know @ also causes issues when the documentation is being generated.

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #8 from Jakub Jelinek <jakub at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
And wouldn't surprise e if spaces wouldn't cause various issues as well.

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #9 from Jakub Jelinek <jakub at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
(In reply to Jonathan Wakely from comment #6)
> Try it again without using a directory called "_Source/_12,1,x"

Say _Source/_12.1.x would work, dot is often used separator in filenames that
is known to work.

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* [Bug other/105819] GCC 12.1.0 Make failed - Compiled with GCC 4.9.4 and under Mac OS X lion - I
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--- Comment #10 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
Hi :

Ah, OK maybe a mistypping from my own. I will look at this.

Kind regards !

PS Please note taht my spectacles were too old, and I have new ones since last
friday. Progressive lenses, and not easy to see the computer screen...
Adapatation period is needed.

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--- Comment #11 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
Another compilation error with 12.2.0 (NB Please see bug n. 106956).
Maybe Lion too old ? Bad compilers(s) (GCC, Python...) ?

Kind regards,

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--- Comment #12 from Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
*** Bug 106956 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |WAITING
   Last reconfirmed|                            |2022-09-16
     Ever confirmed|0                           |1

--- Comment #13 from Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
(In reply to bug-reports.delphin from comment #11)
> Another compilation error with 12.2.0 (NB Please see bug n. 106956).
> Maybe Lion too old ? Bad compilers(s) (GCC, Python...) ?

No, still the same problem, you still have a comma in your path.

Please fix that and try again.

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--- Comment #14 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
Ok but where ? I didn't find it. What file shows me this coma, and what
line/lines, where ? config.log ? my-configure.log ? my-make.log ?

Besides, when one looks the my-make.log file it, seems that python issues an
error (en d of the file). Maybe should I need to change the python
compiler/path, in using, for example,
PYTHON=path_to_a_python_compiler_elsewhere, or change to python3 ? But PYTHON
seems not to be a parameter for configure (NB Not see the configure.ac to check
this).


Thank you.
Kind regards,

L.D.

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--- Comment #15 from Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
*** Bug 109710 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|WAITING                     |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX

--- Comment #16 from Jonathan Wakely <redi at gcc dot gnu.org> ---
(In reply to bug-reports.delphin from comment #14)
> Ok but where ? I didn't find it. What file shows me this coma, and what
> line/lines, where ? config.log ? my-configure.log ? my-make.log ?

I already told you in comment 6:

Originally you were trying to use a directory called "_Source/_12,1,x" with two
commas.

Then you changed it to "_12,2.x" but that still has a comma.

Now you're trying to use "_13,1.x" which still has a comma.

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--- Comment #17 from bug-reports.delphin at laposte dot net ---
First of all, thank you very much. You were stronly right.

In fact, it was not a PATH error, but a folder name error. I check it again and
it was true : unfortunately, I changed a dot sign to a coma sign in the name of
the folders.

I zoomed my Terminal window, and I found this : my eye vision has fairly
weakened. I didn't well differentiate between the two signs, my vision now is
too low. Even though I changed some months ago my glasses : myopia decreased,
but presbyopia increased. The new lenses have corrected - in its way of
accomodation... - the crystalline(eye) lenses, but I found that the field of
view is now very reduces : just a rectangle with a 1-mm width only,
approximately. Good book reading but failing to work before a computer screen
during several hours each day. I met the optician two weeks ago, and, when I
told her I work on a computer from the morning to the afternoon, explaining my
issues with such a vision and their glasses, she told me that my glasses are
not fairly adapted to screen reading. Now, I need to buy new dedicated glasses
for screen working, with wider and a larger and wider field of view (but not
good for book reading). Next months, or in one year.

With GCC, it was now well compiled for versions : 12.1.0, 12.2.0, 13.1.0. I had
just a matter for the 1st compilation of 13.1.0 : it looped during several (>=
6) hours at the step : echo timestamp s-gyte. I canceled the process and
started it again, after having cleaned everything in the build folder. It
compiled to the end in around 10 hours now.

Son, an advice for every developer :

Even though you are young or have a good vision, ALWAYS wear glasses protecting
your eyes when you are in front of a screen. ALWAYS. Otherwise, one day, your
vision will stronly weaken.

As an example ->

https://www.essilorindia.com/products/computer-glasses

Kind regards,

L. D.

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