* Re: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
[not found] ` <E1Fg5TH-0006m2-TU@fencepost.gnu.org>
@ 2006-05-17 6:38 ` Peter Rock
2006-05-17 20:09 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Rock @ 2006-05-17 6:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms; +Cc: gcc-help
On 5/16/06, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
> Statistics Canada is making the claim that the online national census
> is now "accessible to the Linux (sic) operating system". However, to
> do the census online requires installation of Java Virutal Machine.
>
> Does it work with GNU Java?
> It would be very useful for you to try it.
>
I do believe I've tried it - unless I'm doing something wrong. GNU
Java is installed and Java enabled in my browser (Firefox 1.0.8). But
when I click "start" from this page -
http://www50.statcan.ca/census2006/ - I get the following message
---------------
Your browser does not meet the minimum requirements to access this site
This site requires that Java is enabled in your browser. To modify
your browser, follow the steps outlined below.
1. To enable Java in your browser, please refer to the instructions
on our Java page.
2. If Java is already enabled, you will need to download a recent
version of a Java Runtime Environment (JRE) which includes the Java
Virtual Machine. You can download a recent version of the Java Runtime
Environment (JRE), which includes the Java virtual machine, from the
Sun Microsystems Inc. Web site.
If you do not wish to modify your browser, you can complete your paper
questionnaire and return it by mail in the envelope provided.
-------------------
Again, at this page - http://www22.statcan.ca/ccr02/ccr02_003_e.htm -
is a notice explaining their "justification". They say,
"This broadened access to open-source users is available to those who
have a valid browser and JVM. These minimum requirements are necessary
in order to maintain the same level of data encryption with Public Key
Infrastructure (PKI)."
I located the mailing list for GNU Java and am CC:ing this to that
list. Can anyone confirm that Statistics Canada is requiring
proprietary Java in order to complete the national census online?
Open source advocates now have more access, but those who value
freedom are shut out. This is particularly disturbing considering this
is a public service.
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* Re: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
2006-05-17 6:38 ` Government Requirements - Proprietary Software Peter Rock
@ 2006-05-17 20:09 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-18 6:25 ` Ingo Krabbe
2006-05-18 17:55 ` Andrew Haley
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-05-17 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Rock; +Cc: gcc-help, moglen
I do believe I've tried it - unless I'm doing something wrong. GNU
Java is installed and Java enabled in my browser (Firefox 1.0.8). But
when I click "start" from this page -
http://www50.statcan.ca/census2006/ - I get the following message
Your browser does not meet the minimum requirements to access this site
This site requires that Java is enabled in your browser. To modify
your browser, follow the steps outlined below....
I think that message comes from the site. Can you look at the HTML
and try to figure out what code causes it?
Maybe its method of testing for "Java" actually tests for Sun's Java.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
2006-05-17 20:09 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2006-05-18 6:25 ` Ingo Krabbe
2006-05-18 17:55 ` Andrew Haley
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ingo Krabbe @ 2006-05-18 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gcc-help
Am Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 22:08 schrieb Richard Stallman:
> http://www50.statcan.ca/census2006/
Actually, in my java console exactly these messages are reported that are also
reported in this bug (below). Maybe the site test code produce this
NullPointerException and falsify the java support.
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6244718
Strange that this acutally seems a sun bug, possibly resolved in JRE 1.5
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
2006-05-17 20:09 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-18 6:25 ` Ingo Krabbe
@ 2006-05-18 17:55 ` Andrew Haley
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Haley @ 2006-05-18 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: Peter Rock, gcc-help, moglen
Richard Stallman writes:
> I do believe I've tried it - unless I'm doing something wrong. GNU
> Java is installed and Java enabled in my browser (Firefox 1.0.8). But
> when I click "start" from this page -
> http://www50.statcan.ca/census2006/ - I get the following message
>
> Your browser does not meet the minimum requirements to access this site
>
> This site requires that Java is enabled in your browser. To modify
> your browser, follow the steps outlined below....
>
> I think that message comes from the site. Can you look at the HTML
> and try to figure out what code causes it?
>
> Maybe its method of testing for "Java" actually tests for Sun's Java.
In order to run applets in a web browser, you don't just need a Java
VM, you also need a browser plugin. gcjwebplugin exists to do this
job, but the census page relies on the Liveconnect Javascript - Java)
bridge, and gcjwebplugin doesn't have that at all.
So the answer is no, you can't access the Canadian census web
interface using free software.
Andrew,
GNU gcj maintainer
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* RE: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
@ 2006-05-18 17:36 Edward Hua
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Edward Hua @ 2006-05-18 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Rock, rms; +Cc: gcc-help
you should take a look at this document: http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=39446
-----Original Message-----
From: gcc-help-owner@gcc.gnu.org [mailto:gcc-help-owner@gcc.gnu.org] On Behalf Of Peter Rock
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:39 PM
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
On 5/16/06, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
> Statistics Canada is making the claim that the online national census
> is now "accessible to the Linux (sic) operating system". However, to
> do the census online requires installation of Java Virutal Machine.
>
> Does it work with GNU Java?
> It would be very useful for you to try it.
>
I do believe I've tried it - unless I'm doing something wrong. GNU Java is installed and Java enabled in my browser (Firefox 1.0.8). But when I click "start" from this page - http://www50.statcan.ca/census2006/ - I get the following message
---------------
Your browser does not meet the minimum requirements to access this site
This site requires that Java is enabled in your browser. To modify your browser, follow the steps outlined below.
1. To enable Java in your browser, please refer to the instructions on our Java page.
2. If Java is already enabled, you will need to download a recent version of a Java Runtime Environment (JRE) which includes the Java Virtual Machine. You can download a recent version of the Java Runtime Environment (JRE), which includes the Java virtual machine, from the Sun Microsystems Inc.
Web site.
If you do not wish to modify your browser, you can complete your paper questionnaire and return it by mail in the envelope provided.
-------------------
Again, at this page - http://www22.statcan.ca/ccr02/ccr02_003_e.htm - is a notice explaining their "justification". They say,
"This broadened access to open-source users is available to those who have a valid browser and JVM. These minimum requirements are necessary in order to maintain the same level of data encryption with Public Key Infrastructure (PKI)."
I located the mailing list for GNU Java and am CC:ing this to that list. Can anyone confirm that Statistics Canada is requiring proprietary Java in order to complete the national census online?
Open source advocates now have more access, but those who value freedom are shut out. This is particularly disturbing considering this is a public service.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* RE: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
@ 2006-05-17 20:23 Edward Hua
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Edward Hua @ 2006-05-17 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rms, Peter Rock; +Cc: gcc-help, moglen
Peter,
Are you behind a corporate firewall?
I had the same issue when I was behind my company firewall, but when I connect directly from internet, my connection is fine.
Edward
-----Original Message-----
From: gcc-help-owner@gcc.gnu.org [mailto:gcc-help-owner@gcc.gnu.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stallman
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:09 PM
To: Peter Rock
Cc: gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; moglen@columbia.edu
Subject: Re: Government Requirements - Proprietary Software
I do believe I've tried it - unless I'm doing something wrong. GNU
Java is installed and Java enabled in my browser (Firefox 1.0.8). But
when I click "start" from this page -
http://www50.statcan.ca/census2006/ - I get the following message
Your browser does not meet the minimum requirements to access this site
This site requires that Java is enabled in your browser. To modify
your browser, follow the steps outlined below....
I think that message comes from the site. Can you look at the HTML and try to figure out what code causes it?
Maybe its method of testing for "Java" actually tests for Sun's Java.
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