New Frontend

New Frontend

[Varol Okan]

Ouch,

looking on how to get started with writing a front end ( or modifying an 
existing one I found this snippet :
-----------
I agree with you, Tom.  There comes a point where maintaining an example
front-end to aid developers comes at a greater expense than just helping
the developers of new front-ends (or improving the documentation).
------------

So here is my question, where can I find documentation about creating a front-
end which is up-to-date. It seems 
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7884 ( from 2005 ) is a good start though 
I don't know how valid this 5 year old information is.

Ditto for
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/GCC-Frontend-HOWTO.html ( from 2002 )

My goal for this project would be to modify C++ to allow easier multi-threaded 
programming, add garbage collection, utilize a runtime environment which 
should handle scheduling, and thread pools, communications etc. and make all 
of this as logically suitable as possible. Oh and it should be all integral 
part of the programming language.

I know that none of my ideas is new but some one has to put it all together, 
so why not me.

So I guess I am asking for advice on how to best go about doing this while 
avoiding 'old' information, which is widespread throughout the Internet.

Thanks for the/any advice up front.

Varol :)

Re: New Frontend

[Thomas Martitz]

Am 16.03.2010 17:14, schrieb Varol Okan:
> Ouch,
>
> looking on how to get started with writing a front end ( or modifying an
> existing one I found this snippet :
> -----------
> I agree with you, Tom.  There comes a point where maintaining an example
> front-end to aid developers comes at a greater expense than just helping
> the developers of new front-ends (or improving the documentation).
> ------------
>
> So here is my question, where can I find documentation about creating a front-
> end which is up-to-date. It seems
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7884 ( from 2005 ) is a good start though
> I don't know how valid this 5 year old information is.
>
> Ditto for
> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/GCC-Frontend-HOWTO.html ( from 2002 )
>
> My goal for this project would be to modify C++ to allow easier multi-threaded
> programming, add garbage collection, utilize a runtime environment which
> should handle scheduling, and thread pools, communications etc. and make all
> of this as logically suitable as possible. Oh and it should be all integral
> part of the programming language.
>
> I know that none of my ideas is new but some one has to put it all together,
> so why not me.
>
> So I guess I am asking for advice on how to best go about doing this while
> avoiding 'old' information, which is widespread throughout the Internet.
>
> Thanks for the/any advice up front.
>
> Varol :)
>
>    

C#? I don't know how to write plugins but modifying C++ for your plans 
seems strange to me.

Best regards and sorry for the off-topic.

Re: New Frontend

[Steve Teale]

On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 12:14 -0400, Varol Okan wrote:
> Ouch,
> 
> looking on how to get started with writing a front end ( or modifying an 
> existing one I found this snippet :
> -----------
> I agree with you, Tom.  There comes a point where maintaining an example
> front-end to aid developers comes at a greater expense than just helping
> the developers of new front-ends (or improving the documentation).
> ------------
> 
> So here is my question, where can I find documentation about creating a front-
> end which is up-to-date. It seems 
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7884 ( from 2005 ) is a good start though 
> I don't know how valid this 5 year old information is.
> 
> Ditto for
> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/GCC-Frontend-HOWTO.html ( from 2002 )
> 
> My goal for this project would be to modify C++ to allow easier multi-threaded 
> programming, add garbage collection, utilize a runtime environment which 
> should handle scheduling, and thread pools, communications etc. and make all 
> of this as logically suitable as possible. Oh and it should be all integral 
> part of the programming language.
> 
> I know that none of my ideas is new but some one has to put it all together, 
> so why not me.
> 
> So I guess I am asking for advice on how to best go about doing this while 
> avoiding 'old' information, which is widespread throughout the Internet.
> 
> Thanks for the/any advice up front.
> 
> Varol :)
> 
Have you looked at D?

Steve

Re: New Frontend

[Varol Okan]

On Tuesday 16 March 2010 12:43:42 pm Steve Teale wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 12:14 -0400, Varol Okan wrote:
> > Ouch,
> >
> > looking on how to get started with writing a front end ( or modifying an
> > existing one I found this snippet :
> > -----------
> > I agree with you, Tom.  There comes a point where maintaining an example
> > front-end to aid developers comes at a greater expense than just helping
> > the developers of new front-ends (or improving the documentation).
> > ------------
> >
> > So here is my question, where can I find documentation about creating a
> > front- end which is up-to-date. It seems
> > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7884 ( from 2005 ) is a good start
> > though I don't know how valid this 5 year old information is.
> >
> > Ditto for
> > http://tldp.org/HOWTO/GCC-Frontend-HOWTO.html ( from 2002 )
> >
> > My goal for this project would be to modify C++ to allow easier
> > multi-threaded programming, add garbage collection, utilize a runtime
> > environment which should handle scheduling, and thread pools,
> > communications etc. and make all of this as logically suitable as
> > possible. Oh and it should be all integral part of the programming
> > language.
> >
> > I know that none of my ideas is new but some one has to put it all
> > together, so why not me.
> >
> > So I guess I am asking for advice on how to best go about doing this
> > while avoiding 'old' information, which is widespread throughout the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Thanks for the/any advice up front.
> >
> > Varol :)
> 
> Have you looked at D?
> 
> Steve
> 
Yep, downloaded it this am and started to look into it though it is a lot to 
start with. That's why I wanted to look into a simple example and play a bit 
up-front.

Thank you for the recommendation though.

Varol :)

Re: New Frontend

[Ian Lance Taylor]

Varol Okan <Varol.Okan@movingsatellites.com> writes:

> So here is my question, where can I find documentation about creating a front-
> end which is up-to-date.

To the best of my knowledge, there is no such documentation.

Since you are considering a modification of C++, the logical starting
place is the existing C++ frontend.

Ian

Re: New Frontend

[Varol Okan]

Yep,
this is where I am going to start. Thanks for the help.

I will do some reading and try to learn as much as possible about the
task at hand and will most likely bother you guys here a bit more in due
time.

There was a mentioning of the internal documentation. Where/what exactly
is this doc. I hope it is not the source code itself, which is quite
large f I may say so :)

Thanks

Varol :)

Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Varol Okan <Varol.Okan@movingsatellites.com> writes:
>
>   
>> So here is my question, where can I find documentation about creating a front-
>> end which is up-to-date.
>>     
>
> To the best of my knowledge, there is no such documentation.
>
> Since you are considering a modification of C++, the logical starting
> place is the existing C++ frontend.
>
> Ian
>   

Re: New Frontend

[Ian Lance Taylor]

Varol Okan <varol.okan@movingsatellites.com> writes:

> There was a mentioning of the internal documentation. Where/what exactly
> is this doc. I hope it is not the source code itself, which is quite
> large f I may say so :)

http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gccint/

Ian

Re: New Frontend

[Diego Novillo]

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:34, Varol Okan
<varol.okan@movingsatellites.com> wrote:

> I will do some reading and try to learn as much as possible about the
> task at hand and will most likely bother you guys here a bit more in due
> time.

You will find pointers to internal documentation, articles and
presentations at http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GettingStarted


Diego.