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From: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>
To: Aldy Hernandez <aldyh@redhat.com>,
	"Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Cc: GCC patches <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Andrew MacLeod <amacleod@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [range-ops] Implement sqrt.
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:39:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y3FV51Pds4bllqvD@tucnak> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221113200553.440728-1-aldyh@redhat.com>

On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 09:05:53PM +0100, Aldy Hernandez wrote:
> It seems SQRT is relatively straightforward, and it's something Jakub
> wanted for this release.
> 
> Jakub, what do you think?
> 
> p.s. Too tired to think about op1_range.

That would be multiplication of the same value twice, i.e.
fop_mult with trio that has op1_op2 () == VREL_EQ?
But see below, as sqrt won't be always precise, we need to account for
some errors.

> gcc/ChangeLog:
> 
> 	* gimple-range-op.cc (class cfn_sqrt): New.
> 	(gimple_range_op_handler::maybe_builtin_call): Add cases for sqrt.

Yes, I'd like to see SQRT support in.
The only thing I'm worried is that unlike {+,-,*,/}, negation etc. typically
implemented in hardware or precise soft-float, sqrt is often implemented
in library using multiple floating point arithmetic functions.  And different
implementations have different accuracy.

So, I wonder if we don't need to add a target hook where targets will be
able to provide upper bound on error for floating point functions for
different floating point modes and some way to signal unknown accuracy/can't
be trusted, in which case we would give up or return just the range for
VARYING.
Then, we could write some tests that say in a loop constructs random
floating point values (perhaps sanitized to be non-NAN), calls libm function
and the same mpfr one and return maximum error in ulps.
And then record those, initially for glibc and most common targets and
gradually maintainers could supply more.

If we add an infrastructure for that within a few days, then we could start
filling the details.  One would hope that sqrt has < 10ulps accuracy if not
already the 0.5ulp one, but for various other functions I think it can be
much more.  Oh, nanq ib libquadmath has terrible accuracy, but that one
fortunately is not builtin...

If we have some small integer for ulps accuracy of calls (we could use
0 for 0.5ulps accuracy aka precise), wonder if we'd handle it just as a loop
of doing n times frange_nextafter or something smarter.

> --- a/gcc/gimple-range-op.cc
> +++ b/gcc/gimple-range-op.cc
> @@ -43,6 +43,7 @@ along with GCC; see the file COPYING3.  If not see
>  #include "range.h"
>  #include "value-query.h"
>  #include "gimple-range.h"
> +#include "fold-const-call.h"
>  
>  // Given stmt S, fill VEC, up to VEC_SIZE elements, with relevant ssa-names
>  // on the statement.  For efficiency, it is an error to not pass in enough
> @@ -301,6 +302,41 @@ public:
>    }
>  } op_cfn_constant_p;
>  
> +// Implement range operator for SQRT.
> +class cfn_sqrt : public range_operator_float
> +{
> +  using range_operator_float::fold_range;
> +private:
> +  REAL_VALUE_TYPE real_sqrt (const REAL_VALUE_TYPE &arg, tree type) const
> +  {
> +    tree targ = build_real (type, arg);
> +    tree res = fold_const_call (as_combined_fn (BUILT_IN_SQRT), type, targ);
> +    return *TREE_REAL_CST_PTR (res);
> +  }
> +  void rv_fold (REAL_VALUE_TYPE &lb, REAL_VALUE_TYPE &ub, bool &maybe_nan,
> +		tree type,
> +		const REAL_VALUE_TYPE &lh_lb,
> +		const REAL_VALUE_TYPE &lh_ub,
> +		const REAL_VALUE_TYPE &,
> +		const REAL_VALUE_TYPE &,
> +		relation_kind) const final override
> +  {
> +    if (real_compare (LT_EXPR, &lh_ub, &dconst0))
> +      {
> +	real_nan (&lb, "", 0, TYPE_MODE (type));
> +	ub = lb;
> +	maybe_nan = true;
> +	return;
> +      }
> +    lb = real_sqrt (lh_lb, type);
> +    ub = real_sqrt (lh_ub, type);
> +    if (real_compare (GE_EXPR, &lh_lb, &dconst0))
> +      maybe_nan = false;
> +    else
> +      maybe_nan = true;

Doesn't this for say VARYING range result in [NAN, +INF] range?
We want [-0.0, +INF].
So perhaps the real_compare should be done before doing the real_sqrt calls
and for the maybe_nan case use hardcoded -0.0 as lb?

BTW, as for the ulps, another thing to test is whether even when
the library has certain number of ulps error worst case whether it still
obeys the basic math properties of the function or not.
Say for sqrt that it always fits into [-0.0, +INF] (guess because of the
flush denormals to zero we wouldn't have a problem here for say 30ulps
sqrt that [nextafter (0.0, 1.0) * 16.0, 64.0] wouldn't be considered
[-nextafter (0.0, 1.0) * 16.0, 8.0 + 30ulps] but just
[-0.0, 8.0 + 30ulps], but later on say sin/cos, which mathematically should
have result always in [-1.0, 1.0] +-NAN, it would be interesting to see
if there aren't some implementations that would happily return 1.0 + 15ulps
or -1.0 - 20ulps.

And unrelated thought about reverse y = x * x; if we know y's range
- op1_range/op2_range in that case could be handled as sqrt without the
library ulps treatment (if we assume that multiplication is always precise),
but the question is if op1_range or op2_range is called at all in those
cases and whether we could similarly use trio to derive in that case the
x's range.

	Jakub


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-13 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-13 20:05 Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-13 20:39 ` Jakub Jelinek [this message]
2022-11-14  7:45   ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-14 14:30     ` Jeff Law
2022-11-14 14:35       ` Jakub Jelinek
2022-11-14 14:48         ` Jeff Law
2022-11-14 15:01         ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-14 21:55   ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-16 20:32     ` Jakub Jelinek
2022-11-17 16:40       ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-17 16:48         ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-17 17:42           ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-17 18:59         ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-17 19:37           ` Jakub Jelinek
2022-11-17 20:43             ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-18  8:39             ` Richard Biener
2022-11-18 10:37               ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-18 10:44                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2022-11-18 11:20                   ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-18 11:57                     ` Aldy Hernandez
2022-11-18 12:14                   ` Richard Biener

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