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From: Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>
To: Alex Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: GCC <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>, "Iker Pedrosa" <ipedrosa@redhat.com>,
	"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"Paul Eggert" <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	"Michael Kerrisk" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Jₑₙₛ Gustedt" <jens.gustedt@inria.fr>,
	"David Malcolm" <dmalcolm@redhat.com>,
	"Sam James" <sam@gentoo.org>,
	"Jonathan Wakely" <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Missed warning (-Wuse-after-free)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 09:43:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7509225948e17179bd11902544370c7ec28c0a51.camel@tugraz.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b994f2e4-d412-8248-d7a3-240c46dcd192@gmail.com>

Am Freitag, dem 24.02.2023 um 02:42 +0100 schrieb Alex Colomar:
> Hi Serge, Martin,
> 
> On 2/24/23 02:21, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > Does all this imply that the following is well defined behavior (and shall
> > > print what one would expect)?
> > > 
> > >    free(p);
> > > 
> > >    (void) &p;  // take the address
> > >    // or maybe we should (void) memcmp(&p, &p, sizeof(p)); ?
> > > 
> > >    printf("%p\n", p);  // we took previously its address,
> > >                        // so now it has to hold consistently
> > >                        // the previous value
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This feels weird.  And a bit of a Schroedinger's pointer.  I'm not entirely
> > > convinced, but might be.
> > 
> > Again, p is just an n byte variable which happens to have (one hopes)
> > pointed at a previously malloc'd address.
> > 
> > And I'd argue that pre-C11, this was not confusing, and would not have
> > felt weird to you.
> > 
> > But I am most grateful to you for having brought this to my attention.
> > I may not agree with it and not like it, but it's right there in the
> > spec, so time for me to adjust :)
> 
> I'll try to show why this feels weird to me (even in C89):
> 
> 
> alx@dell7760:~/tmp$ cat pointers.c
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
> 
> 
> int
> main(void)
> {
> 	char  *p, *q;
> 
> 	p = malloc(42);
> 	if (p == NULL)
> 		exit(1);
> 
> 	q = realloc(p, 42);
> 	if (q == NULL)
> 		exit(1);
> 
> 	(void) &p;  // If we remove this, we get -Wuse-after-free
> 
> 	printf("(%p == %p) = %i\n", p, q, (p == q));
> }
> alx@dell7760:~/tmp$ cc -Wall -Wextra pointers.c  -Wuse-after-free=3
> alx@dell7760:~/tmp$ ./a.out
> (0x5642cd9022a0 == 0x5642cd9022a0) = 1
> 

No, you can't do the comparison or use the value of 'p'
because 'p' is not a valid pointer. (The address taken
makes no difference here, but it may confuse the
compiler so that it does not warn.)

> 
> This pointers point to different objects (actually, one of them doesn't 
> even point to an object anymore), so they can't compare equal, according 
> to both:
> 
> <http://port70.net/%7Ensz/c/c11/n1570.html#6.5.9p6>
> 
> <http://port70.net/~nsz/c/c89/c89-draft.html#3.3.9>
> 
> (I believe C89 already had the concept of lifetime well defined as it is 
> now, so the object had finished it's lifetime after realloc(3)).
> 
> How can we justify that true, if the pointer don't point to the same 
> object?  And how can we justify a hypothetical false (which compilers 
> don't implement), if compilers will really just read the value?  To 
> implement this as well defined behavior, it could result in no other 
> than false, and it would require heavy overhead for the compilers to 
> detect that the seemingly-equal values are indeed different, don't you 
> think?  The easiest solution is for the standard to just declare this 
> outlaw, IMO.

This is undefined behavior, so the comparison can return false
or true or crash or whatever.  

Martin

> 
> Maybe it could do an exception for printing, that is, reading a pointer 
> is not a problem in itself, a long as you don't compare it, but I'm not 
> such an expert about this.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alex
> 
> > 
> > -serge
> 
> -- 
> <http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>
> GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5
> 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-24  8:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-16 14:35 Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-16 15:15 ` David Malcolm
2023-02-17  1:04   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17  1:05     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17  1:56       ` Sam James
2023-02-17  8:12     ` Martin Uecker
2023-02-17 11:35       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17 13:34         ` Andreas Schwab
2023-02-17 13:48         ` Martin Uecker
2023-02-23 19:23           ` Alex Colomar
2023-02-23 19:57             ` Martin Uecker
2023-02-24  0:02               ` Alex Colomar
2023-02-24  1:21                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2023-02-24  1:42                   ` Alex Colomar
2023-02-24  3:01                     ` Peter Lafreniere
2023-02-24  8:52                       ` Martin Uecker
2023-02-24  8:43                     ` Martin Uecker [this message]
2023-02-24 16:10                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2023-02-24  8:36                   ` Martin Uecker
2023-02-24 16:01                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2023-02-24 16:37                       ` Martin Uecker
2023-02-17  3:48   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 11:22     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17 13:38       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 14:01         ` Mark Wielaard
2023-02-17 14:06           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 21:20         ` [PATCH] Make -Wuse-after-free=3 the default one in -Wall Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17 21:39           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 21:41             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 22:58             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17 23:03               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 11:24     ` Missed warning (-Wuse-after-free) Jonathan Wakely
2023-02-17 11:43       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-02-17 12:04         ` Jonathan Wakely
2023-02-17 12:53       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17 14:10         ` Jonathan Wakely
2023-02-17 13:44     ` David Malcolm
2023-02-17 14:01       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2023-02-17  8:49 ` Yann Droneaud

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